I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Kat_Manx]

I remember that people were saying that BRD in 2.0 is a faceroll class even a baby horse while sucking his mother's can play it.
Now changes toward the class being a more skillful class to play actually make people complaining because they can't play the class while facerolling again.

Clearly you have never played Bard, then.

So, your profile says you play Conjurer aka. White Mage.

Let's see..let's change your job so it no longer uses magic. You use bandages. At close range. You have to stand 1 yalm from the player you are trying to heal..and you will now dress in metal armor. But if you do it properly, you'll heal better than before.

Just a basic aesthetic and playstyle change. You can still heal. No big deal, I assume? ^.-

[AdamFyi]

I actually like your take on Wanderer's Paeon.

It's still just a tiny suggestion. More work needs to be done to actually balance it out. Personally, it would be interesting to see it be implemented, haha.

However, whether we admit it or not. The developers are more inclined to the voices of Japanese Bard players regarding Bard issues. I'm pretty sure if there are English players who chose Bard when 2.0 first started for a class/job with mobility, then without a doubt some of our Japanese counterpart will share the same sentiment too.

I agree. However, we're going to have a problem when trying to remove Minuet, namely; there exists the Machinist job which can fill in the role of support in place of bard. If they were to remove Minuet, the damage potential of Bard will be quite low compared to the other jobs and will most likely cause players more reason to bring Machinists over Bards. Mobility is hard to balance around. Either you force the player to stand still to deal more damage, or allow the player to move as free as a bluebird yet also peck like one.

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Let's see..let's change your job so it no longer uses magic. You use bandages. At close range. You have to stand 1 yalm from the player you are trying to heal..and you will now dress in metal armor. But if you do it properly, you'll heal better than before.

Actually, that sounds interesting. Combat Medic would definitely put an interesting spin on the Healer role.

[XiXiQ]

my only headscratch is why add a bunch of abilities (not just BRD, but BLM as well) that expect you to stand still for something like 25-30 seconds, then make everything an AOE dance just to nullify it? On the face of it it appears quite pointless. Possibly when fully geared it's more realistic/strategic to actually take some damage rather than interrupt DPS, but I've not got far enough along to test that out.

yes, I'm sure a bunch of healers now have their eyes standing out on stalks

[AriaEnia]

Clearly you have never played Bard, then.
So, your profile says you play Conjurer aka. White Mage.

I play BRD to lv 50 for quite a while, and I have to say, it's been too easy and I got bored of it.
That conjurer on my profile hasn't been changed for a long time, I dunno why.
I've been maining Paladin now and it still showing conjurer all the time >.<

I've been running dungeons with friends and asking them about the changes, true most of them don't like it, they also admitted that the changes in play style do make you have to play the class more skillfully than before.

Let's see..let's change your job so it no longer uses magic. You use bandages. At close range.

Not even close, you still wield the bow and shoot it.

[Virgaeus]

Hello again guys!

I just want to propose a solution.

What if, at level 60, we get an Archer/Bard "Trait" that reduces by half (or more) the cast time WM puts on our skills. Just that.

As I tried Alexander and all the new dungeons etc in Heavensward, I see that SE did a lot of Ranged DPS friendly instances. There are times I have to move a lot and I do it without minuet and when I don't have to move, I use it and it's not that hard really.

I know it feels wrong...even horrible with WM but there is more than mobility that we need. We need to be just a little faster with our skills, while the other DPS lands 4 or 5 hits, I do 2. It was maybe solved by the damage I dealt but I think we are still very slow.

I don't deny the fact that I miss my mobility but I figured out that I don't even move that much lately. WM can be used with other songs and our songs already drain MP so I think losing a little mobility is ok.

Thank you for reading.

[MisterLucie]

my only headscratch is why add a bunch of abilities (not just BRD, but BLM as well) that expect you to stand still for something like 25-30 seconds, then make everything an AOE dance just to nullify it? On the face of it it appears quite pointless. Possibly when fully geared it's more realistic/strategic to actually take some damage rather than interrupt DPS, but I've not got far enough along to test that out.

yes, I'm sure a bunch of healers now have their eyes standing out on stalks

The cast time on abilities in WM is 1.5 seconds, an entire second shorter than the GCD. It still allows plenty of movement, far more than any caster could ever even dream of. A bard should never, ever be standing still for 30 seconds. On top of their cast times being a nearly insignificant 1.5 seconds, they also have instant procs and can easily swap in and out of WM depending on the situation. A bard can continue to dps and only suffer a minimal damage loss in an aoe heavy fight that would leave a BLM or SMN ripping their hair out in frustration.

Bards are still easily the most mobile DPS in the game, being much easier to move on the fly than casters and still not being hampered by close proximity AoEs like melee.

[nuyu11]

I play BRD to lv 50 for quite a while, and I have to say, it's been too easy and I got bored of it.
That conjurer on my profile hasn't been changed for a long time, I dunno why.
I've been maining Paladin now and it still showing conjurer all the time >.<

I've been running dungeons with friends and asking them about the changes, true most of them don't like it, they also admitted that the changes in play style do make you have to play the class more skillfully than before.



Not even close, you still wield the bow and shoot it.

Some people easily said that Bard is easy job, while I can said that PLD is easy 123 tank rotation for new player who want to learn tanking. It feels like you're belittle Bard Job.

[Wavaryen]

Who cares if the job was easy or not? It was about play style and fun of the class. Easy or tough does not matter when looking at the class as a whole to each player. Some people enjoy easier play styles, others enjoy harder. Classes should offer all types of play styles, and enough option to be enjoyed by many skill level of players.

Like I said, common sense game design.

[UBERHAXED]

Who cares if the job was easy or not? It was about play style and fun of the class. Easy or tough does not matter when looking at the class as a whole to each player. Some people enjoy easier play styles, others enjoy harder. Classes should offer all types of play styles, and enough option to be enjoyed by many skill level of players.

Like I said, common sense game design.

The problem (which I think don't think high level enough to understand) is that it's hard to balance difficulty in content when 1 class trivializes the mechanics by free movement. Overtime, they attempt to do it and end up making it quite impossible to play other classes and ending up just not doing it. With a fresh start they just decide that they won't set themselves up for failure when creating new content again. That being said, in any 2.X content you don't need to move anymore than caster does to play (unlike melee with positionals) so I don't see how the playstyle changes. Also, someone pointed out that cast time is less than GCD. You literally have the same amount of movement freedom. Casters have zero.

[Virgaeus]

Who cares if the job was easy or not? It was about play style and fun of the class. Easy or tough does not matter when looking at the class as a whole to each player. Some people enjoy easier play styles, others enjoy harder. Classes should offer all types of play styles, and enough option to be enjoyed by many skill level of players.

Like I said, common sense game design.

Not looking at Bard only but at Heavensward as a whole, it would not be fair for the Bard to keep his ARR mobility.
Everyone should have the same amount of difficulty and fun while playing.
I know a lot of bards out there don't like WM and i won't be against a better Bard but I agree with SE on reducing Bards mobility.