Brd/Mch was fixed, will BLM be fixed?

[T0rin]

No. It's because, as you said yourself, you "do not pretend to fully understand the woes of BLM." If you don't understand them, why are you posting that they aren't real?

I didn't say they aren't real, I'm saying they can be played around, evidenced by the BLM who are having good success, despite all of these supposed game breaking handicaps. Being able to adapt to a hardship and still succeed is different from being unable to adapt at all and failure being inevitable.

I'd hardly call it a high reward if every DPS is putting out numbers in the same 1000-1200 range. That's just a normal reward.

It's normal reward if you assume they are under less risk than you are. Reality is that every class is under a fairly high level of risk when playing at the top of their potential. High risk with normal reward would be playing BLM as it is now and only pulling 700 DPS on an encounter where people are putting in equivalent effort and getting 1000+. The reality is that given roughly the same amount of effort and risk, BLM is getting up in the same ranges as other classes.

Additionally, according to the reddit SMN theorycrafter, SMN is now "low risk and high reward." You can find this on page 11 here under "Black Mage or Summoner? Revisited." It's stated at number 1 of the "I support this claim with the following reasons" part. Not every DPS class comes with the high risk that BLM does. I think BLM is probably the job with the highest risk at the moment.

I read through all 70 or whatever pages of that document, and while it does serve as a good foundation of knowledge for newly minted or middling SMN, it is definitely lacking when it comes to the top 15-20% of SMN potential. Perfect execution requires juggling a lot of stuff, and is more than simply understanding the math of when to use Tri-Disaster or what not to cast during Deathwyrm Trance. Perfect execution is about knowing fights and understanding the flow and figuring out how to adapt a rotation to fit in with that flow while maintaining 100% uptime on dots and using cooldowns to burst at the proper moments. You can't really write a bunch of mathematical explanations to predict how long to hold onto a third Aetherflow charge to deal with a phase change without dropping Aethertrail stacks.

All of that aside, the guide does make some points in regards to BLM vs SMN, but they are one person's opinion, not fact, just because he wrote an extensive guide. I'm not trying to argue that BLM doesn't have a high amount of risk, I'm trying to argue that all classes have a high amount of risk... and that proper execution is what separates the good players from the average, and what allows BLM to be top tier instead of average. It may have more risk than other DPS classes, but isn't that always the case with some class? To say that BLM is in a league of their own when it comes to risk when dealing with top tier of output is just inaccurate.

BLM is not top DPS. It's average in the very literal sense. It's in the middle of DPS output for all DPS jobs.

The problem here is an assumption being made regarding potential vs realized results. You're saying that BLM has a high level of risk (they do) and when perfectly executed only has average results, aka they cannot keep up with other top tier classes like Dragoon. Except that isn't true. It may be the case that _you_ cannot execute it well enough to get top tier DPS, or you don't know any BLM who can, but there exists a large universe of players outside of your small circle that are capable of executing and achieving top tier DPS. The BLMs pulling 1000+ DPS in Ravana Extreme, for example.

Again, if "do not pretend to fully understand the woes of BLM" then you probably shouldn't have a voice in whether or not those woes are real.

Like I said, I never stated they weren't real. I'm not denying that there aren't some QoL issues. But to try to paint the picture that BLM is not a serviceable class simply because of this is untrue. It's not the same BLM as pre-3.0, but it is still a good class capable of top tier performance in the right hands. It is however a lot less tolerant for lesser skilled players than it was before. That's not necessarily bad, unless you're expecting it to be.