I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[AdamFyi]

Oh look, another guy who isn't main-ing a Bard, and doesn't understand the whole situation, and thinks that this whole issue is solely about pushing DPS.

You don't need to be rude. I was merely stating that I liked how it looked. Also, it doesn't seem that you even watched the entire video. That video wasn't so much as pushing DPS, but moreso that Bards can still be mobile under Minuet.

Please actually watch the video before jumping to conclusions, m'kay?

[Intellion]

What do I have to understand, that stuff is hardcasted under minuette and instant cast with minuette off? Don't need to level BRD to 60 for that. It might take some time getting used to it, but it will get to a point where you won't even have to think "now I can move" or "now I can't because there's minuette on". From what I've seen, good BRDs are pulling very nice amounts of damage, my static bard was around 900, even 1k at times at Alexander...that's brutally high if you consider you get to keep like 90% of your damage in those scenarios where you have to move and everyone either loses 100% of their damage or most of it (e.g. Ravana EX everyone getting chased by those 4 balls), not to mention foe's requiem, paeon, ballad, etc.

I just shake my head whenever I see people have VERY strong opinions on things they know nothing about.

Yes, you kinda do need to have Bard at least at 60 AND have spent some time to learn it to actually understand how Bards are supposed to play like and why WM has "broken" the class's core mechanics.

It's called credibility.

As a seasoned Bard, all I can say is that the changes to Bard isn't just something simple like "Oh noes! I have to stand still for 2 seconds now to use the same skills!"

It's more of like if you've main-ed Zangief for your entire Street Fighter career, and then in one single patch, Zangief now plays like Guile. He still has the exact same techniques, but to pull them off, you are now forced to play like Guile.

I ain't explaining the details to you, because if you TRULY knew how Bards work, you'd immediately understand the GAMEPLAY (not DPS) problems plaguing Bard right now.


EDIT:

To all non-Bards in here claiming that Bards need to "git gud" or that Bards "are fine," leave now. You are completely clueless in the subject matter, and you have zero credibility. If you actually have Bard at 60, then you have a case. Otherwise, your claims are null and void.

[FateAudax]

You don't need to be rude. I was merely stating that I liked how it looked. Also, it doesn't seem that you even watched the entire video. That video wasn't so much as pushing DPS, but moreso that Bards can still be mobile under Minuet.

Please actually watch the video before jumping to conclusions, m'kay?

Watched it and it doesn't mean anything if there is still cast time while using WM. Actually this issue is as simple as: Bard isn't Bard with cast bar.

[Musashidon]

problems plaguing Bard right now.

only plaguing bad bards.

we have been over this you have no idea what you are talking about.

Bard isn't Bard with cast bar.

yes it is get over it.

[UBERHAXED]

Yea whatever bro. Can't stop nosy people now can we?

Edit: I forgot to mention your argument which I have quoted is no better either. Where's the substance of your example?

I speak for myself but I'm sure there are Bard players who shares my sentiment. I chose Bard because I like to move. It was a class/job which was introduced with mobility. I chose it because of mobility. Raided all the coils and have been relevant in hardcore contents with said mobility but now we've been robbed from it.

Yea, I know I am not required to use it but without using WM, I can't say that I am pushing out optimal damage as EA+Barrage is a big deal. So I am forced to use WM if I want to be relevant in hardcore contents post 3.0.

You choose it because you like to move? None of your gameplay (unlike classes with positionals, which can move while attacking btw) involves movement. In 2.0 you can do w/e you want and still do the same DPS as if you were standing still, which means movement had no effect on gameplay. Which means lack of movement with WM also doesn't change gameplay. Do you enjoy running in circles like an idiot during boss fights or something? That sounds like a personal thing, rather than it being related to the class.

[FateAudax]

only plaguing bad bards.

we have been over this you have no idea what you are talking about.



yes it is get over it.

Oh look, isn't it a surprise that you aren't main-ing a Bard. How about you quit your class and main a Bard and show us a recording of you playing it?

[Intellion]

only plaguing bad bards.

we have been over this you have no idea what you are talking about.




yes it is get over it.

How cute. A non-Bard with no credibility spouting some nonsense and passing it as fact.

I don't think you understood:

You have no credibility. Your claims are null-and-void.

If you think otherwise, get your Bard to 60 and come back.

Now please kindly leave.

[Musashidon]

Oh look, isn't it a surprise that you aren't main-ing a Bard. How about you quit your class and main a Bard and show us a recording of you playing it?

i don't play a class but a job, secondly a vid has already been posted showing you all up.

bard = songs

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aww how cute back to you're not 60 like me, when you provide nothing you just make yourself look silly.

well, no surprise that ffxiv's community is going to the dumps with condescending and sanctimonious people like you around acting all high and mighty just because your class ain't affected.

no class is affected because we play jobs

[FateAudax]

You choose it because you like to move? None of your gameplay (unlike classes with positionals, which can move while attacking btw) involves movement. In 2.0 you can do w/e you want and still do the same DPS as if you were standing still, which means movement had no effect on gameplay. Which means lack of movement with WM also doesn't change gameplay. Do you enjoy running in circles like an idiot during boss fights or something? That sounds like a personal thing, rather than it being related to the class.

So playing a game during my non-working hours isn't a personal thing? Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Do people play games for other people's enjoyment or themselves?

i don't play a class but a job, secondly a vid has already been posted showing you all up.

bard = songs

well, no surprise that ffxiv's community is going to the dumps with condescending and sanctimonious people like you around acting all high and mighty just because your class ain't affected.

[Intellion]

i don't play a class but a job, secondly a vid has already been posted showing you all up.

bard = songs



aww how cute back to you're not 60 like me, when you provide nothing you just make yourself look silly.

I don't think you understood.

You have no credibility. Your baseless nonsense carries no meaning and is not welcome in a feedback thread.

If you want to receive a proper debate, get your Bard to 60 and then come back.

Thank you for understanding, and have a good day.

P.S.

Bards = DPS and Songs. Fact.