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  1. #2061
    Player
    Shalan's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Eilonwy Ilyr
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 80
    Kind of a story/request for advice.
    I was doing my daily roulette in Tam Tara Deepcroft when we get a party put together with a tank who didn't seem to be all there. They would start off a fight with a flash and just auto attack from there on out, occasionally having long bouts of doing nothing at all during a fight, causing them to constantly lose aggro to myself and the DPS. By the time we reached the second group of trash mobs we'd already had a DPS leave and picked up a new mage (thaumaturge?). Some of the more experienced players tried giving the tank advice on how to use their abilities and combos but the tank didn't react/respond at all. I started marking targets for the DPS and using them and myself as pseudo tanks and just healing through the damage. We didn't wipe and only had one death (couldn't heal fast enough) on a boss so it could have been worse I suppose.

    Now, I'm new to this game, this is only my fifth day playing and while it is a lot of fun this doesn't to seem terribly uncommon in lower end dungeons. I've had this scenario play out three times since and it's worrying, so I ask you:
    Does this happen often higher end dungeons and if so, is it still possible to circumvent the tank and just heal through damage and get by with focused DPS on marked targets? Or would we be better served by dropping out and finding a new party?
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  2. #2062
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    AlphaFox's Avatar
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    If the tank is kinda on auto-pilot and not responding, not using many skills it is possible it was just a Bot.
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  3. #2063
    Player
    Shalan's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Eilonwy Ilyr
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post
    If the tank is kinda on auto-pilot and not responding, not using many skills it is possible it was just a Bot.
    Are they a continued problem in higher level dungeons or is there a common drop off point where they stop showing up? Currently hitting around level 30 dungeons and I haven't seen any today so I'm hoping I'm in the clear.
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  4. #2064
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    AlphaFox's Avatar
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    I havn't seen many doing later dungeons, I think they stick to lower dungeons cus it is kinda stupid proof in a way (and they still gain EXP), not many mechanics that involve the tank having to move around a lot. Honestly though, if the tank is not dodging AOEs, using buffs or cool-downs its either a seriously horrible new person, or a bot.
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  5. #2065
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    Tyla_Esmeraude's Avatar
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    Tyla Esmeraude
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SummerRider View Post
    My healer horror story.... well more like a DPS (SMN) are you even awake?
    This reminds me of the BLM I had last night while doing Sohm Al. I was the AST. First of all, he'd go ahead and pull mobs before the tank was even ready. After 2 warnings from the tank, he finally stopped. He would oooonly focus on one mob and ignore the adds until his main target was down, even if it wasn't the tank's target at that moment. I wanted to bang my head against the wall because I had to do more healing than necessary due to him him taking hate from the mob that he wasn't supposed to target first. For this reason I never buffed him with cards and buffed the MNK instead. That BLM acted like a hyper kid. This kind of DPSs are the ones that make my heart rate go up when I'm on healer.

    Since I've been WHM since 2.0, I feel more confident on WHM so it's not that bad. However, I've only been an AST for say, 5 days lol so I'm not 100% confident on the job yet and on top of that I get DPSs like that BLM...however I managed fine and got 2 commends in return. So yay? lol
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  6. #2066
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    raela's Avatar
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    Character
    Raela Sarinelle
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    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Did neverreap last night.. First time and I'm barely meeting ilvl. Tank waited for buffs, then proceeded to pull two groups (nin and mch for dps). I had to heal constantly, so no dpsing.. Was taking forever to kill mobs, burned 6 lustrates, then finally tank died and we wiped. Mch went "?" and I asked the tank to please pull less. On the next pull, mch was doing NOTHING.. Not even auto attacks.. Then once 2 mobs have died, this appeared:

    "I think 4 mobs should be easy but the healer can't heal it."

    Oh yeah, blame me for your slow as crap dps and the tank's paper armor?? Tank and mch were also at bare minimum ilvl for the dungeon. The final boss felt like it took ages.. I threw dots when I could, but man, I refused to enter another dungeon for the rest of the night..
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  7. #2067
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    EA9Sol's Avatar
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    Eden Phantomhive
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    This happen to me not so long ago.....I deiced to run Astrologian in Sastasha ez mode. Thinking "nothing could possibly go wrong". Yeah. Two really new dps and one so-so new Tank in my party. No problem, this should be quick and painless! Right out the gate no one was attacking the same target. DPS ran a head and tank was left scrambling around to get things in order. After while the tank just afk. I did say we have to wait for the tank...but nope. Tank had enough and I kept going hoping the tank would come back. So after the first two mini boss I deiced to call out to my fc for help and replace the tank and end his/her bad party experience, but nope. DPS did not wait and died...twice. I wish I could of stayed but I'm not that good not matter what and I hope those two DPS the best of luck.

    >.> I feel so bad now...
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    Last edited by EA9Sol; 07-09-2015 at 11:10 AM.

  8. #2068
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    HWF-7force's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    Character
    Flynn Hawkins
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 79
    The DPS and Tanks I've encountered since I started leveling my AST in lower level dungeons have really made me sad.

    I took my buddy into Cutter's Cry 3 times w/ me today because I needed a DPS who was worth using the cards on.

    It scares me that there are so many lv50+ players who are THAT BAD.

    Also, so weigh in on the DRK business... I've yet to encounter one that could hold AoE aggro, which is shocking given their toolkit.
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    "And so we go..."

  9. #2069
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    Rydiah's Avatar
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    Character
    Sypha Belnades
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 60
    I ran Neverreap tonight for the first time. I waited until I had enough tomes for my Law weapon to even attempt it because I knew I was going to get a tank that pulled way too much...and with my luck stay in their dps stance the whole time lol. I mentioned it was my first time, and I think the tank was planning on going slow until the MCH told them to pull more. Ugh, everything died SO SLOW.

    We get to the area with the bees, the tank pulls one set of bees and a tree, but parks them too close to the other bees and aggros them. The tank got Final Sting twice in a row, I hit benediction (it decided not to work, of course lol) and they took another. We wipe, but luckily the dps was able to finish off the bees before they died. After we rez the dps says, "Yea, 4 bees is rough" and the tank say, "Its np, I can easily stun them, but they resisted for some reason" Which was my fault because I used Holy, but I only used it twice because I thought they resisted after the 3rd one. Even if they did stun one, it would have been a reeeeally close call and I think we would have wiped anyway. I apologize and the rest of the run is smooth but things still take forever to die, the tank was nice. That's not my horror story though, just a minor annoyance.

    Right before maint. tonight I tried to run my High Level Roulette, got Keeper of the Lake with a new BLM. The tank is in Dreadwyrm gear and says "I suck". I knew right away what he was going to do, but I gave him a chance. He ran in, grabbed mobs, let everyone else get hate and stand there letting us die. We killed the crabs but he ran off, grabbed another pack, and same thing except this time when he lost hate, he'd go grab another pack while we were dying and brought them back to the entrance. I kicked him as soon as I could, but everyone else left after. Then he queued back in. I told the two new dps to leave because the tank is a troll, then left, super mad I lost out on my tomes and that the new guy had to deal with him. I reported him. I really hope the GMs do something about it!
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  10. #2070
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    Rajeme's Avatar
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    Rajeme Tkala
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    The moment when a Tank pulls 3 groups of mobs in The Aery and you see his HP dropped 80% in less than a second even with all cds. I think I died a little inside...
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