Now that we understand what the beast tribes and...someone... is summoning "spoilery"

[Keylus]

Thing is it flies in the face of players being saved from the calamity. Or the plot would have to change a bit for legacy players, seeing as they experienced the calamity.

Not against the idea, it's just, you're right, lots of plot holes.

Primals are just copies, but they still have a short of memory, like Ramuh or Ekidu.
I am not in position to defend that theory. As I said it had a lot plot holes, like: Why do we not need crystals?
But since we are in a fantasy genre any plot hole can be filled with more fantasy. Like: We don't need crystal because we have a connection with Hydaelyn

[Gilraen]

We don't need crystal because we have a connection with Hydaelyn

We aren't really connected with Hydaelyn through the Echo, the Echo is a gift we 'own' granted by Hydaelyn. The only thing separating us from the Ascians is too many lifetimes of experience. We are connected, though, through the Blessing of Light, but... wait, we DO need crystals for that. Six, in fact, collected through our journey along 2.0, depleted in defending against Ultima Weapon, sealed after meeting Midgardsormr and then restored in 3.0 through an infusion from our own aetheric stores built up by the Echo (at least that's what it looked like to me). Those crystals, though, a tenuous at best and not very reliable if they can be drained by some silly spell of ultimate destruction.

[Keylus]

We aren't really connected with Hydaelyn through the Echo, the Echo is a gift we 'own' granted by Hydaelyn. The only thing separating us from the Ascians is too many lifetimes of experience. We are connected, though, through the Blessing of Light, but... wait, we DO need crystals for that. Six, in fact, collected through our journey along 2.0, depleted in defending against Ultima Weapon, sealed after meeting Midgardsormr and then restored in 3.0 through an infusion from our own aetheric stores built up by the Echo (at least that's what it looked like to me). Those crystals, though, a tenuous at best and not very reliable if they can be drained by some silly spell of ultimate destruction.

I am not a lore master, so I can't discuss with that; but thanks for that, I didn't understand well how worked our relation with Hydaelyn
I just wanted to say that nothing is "too absurd" in a fantasy game

[Gilraen]

I am not a lore master, so I can't discuss with that; but thanks for that, I didn't understand well how worked our relation with Hydaelyn
I just wanted to say that nothing is "too absurd" in a fantasy game

I'm no lore aficionado either, this is all just stuff I've picked up from playing the game. It's not really trying to hide anything, either. The Ascians teach the sahuagin how to invoke the Echo, and they're about as connected to Hydaelyn as the Ascians themselves. It's amazing what you learn when you don't skip all the cutscenes.

[Keylus]

I'm no lore aficionado either, this is all just stuff I've picked up from playing the game. It's not really trying to hide anything, either. The Ascians teach the sahuagin how to invoke the Echo, and they're about as connected to Hydaelyn as the Ascians themselves. It's amazing what you learn when you don't skip all the cutscenes.

I don't skip the cutscenes, that why I am not lvl 60 still. It's more that I am not that bright and I tend to lose/forget a lot of info