Bard - they broke my job

[LLamaPie]

Now for other changes:

Empyreal Arrow:
-1: Nerf to potency. I see no reason for it. I get SE wanted to be a bit careful on the changes but our damage wasn't even close to the other classes that a 10% boost on top of what we already had to a skill that has a 15s recast would not have pushed us that far ahead.

Sidewinder:
-10: A 100 potency nerf on a skill with a 60s recast made me scratch my head the most. Like what the hell SE? I just can't wrap my head around this one at all.

I want to say overall the changes were positive, I did net a dps increase but I am still too far under the top classes. Usually 200+ under the monk and more than 100 under the SMN. It's better than it was but I think if they revert the changes to EA and Sidewinder and adjust the usability a tad more on WM we should be back to old bard standards. Not as good as everyone else but not way behind either.

[Sessurea]

theres 1k bard dps parses of alexander guys, you can stop crying now.

[Snugglebutt]

theres 1k bard dps parses of alexander guys, you can stop crying now.

Link it. Actual screenshot parser proof that includes enough relevant data to assess it's validity such as for example the requirement of more than just a screenshot after the initial first DPS burst. The length of time and sustainability is not only relevant but also very important. Then link many more to prove it was not a glitch, sample size always needs to be more than one. Following that list the gear of player involved and their skill rotations, food/potion and 3rd party buffs used and had on at the time so it can be repeated and tested by others to exclude the chance of photoshop fake figures being used as evidence. The last part is by far the most important and you must at least be able to supply that information at a bare minimum.

[Chairman_Meow]

theres 1k bard dps parses of alexander guys, you can stop crying now.

Yeah... for the first minute of the fight.

[Snowaeth]

It's okay guys. I did 1,3k BRD dps on Faust in floor 1.
BRD's r totally fine now.
Faust is real boss and not a dummy standing there.
The fight didn't last about 2 minutes either.
There were also no adds running through my flaming arrow to add dps.
Oh and please ignore the DRG that was there he surely didn't increase my BRD dmg.

Oh also keep in mind that BRD is totally fine on the actual boss too, because the fight really isn't catered to BRD or anything.
There are no two easy targets to keep dots on.
There really is no boss jump happening every time the BRD would fall off the hardest.
The bosses really don't come back from their jump just perfectly in time for the BRD cooldowns to be back up.
The BRD LB really isn't made to hit two targets like that standing far away from each other.
The fight really isn't turret friendly because you know you have to move two steps to the left or right every ten seconds or so.
Yes it's the amazing BRD fixes and not a tailored fight that made BRD so good now, it's much better than everyone else.

[MrYaah]

Link it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tation/csvzx5e

I may be a biased observer but im pretty sure the parses aren't fake >_>

Also despite the fact this is being used as evidence that bard is fine I do not agree. Their dps is fine sure but the way square enix fixed it was pretty shitty. Instead of fixing minuet so that it meshes more with bard's ogcd management playstyle they just buffed the damage to compensate for the sloppy rotation thats forced on you with minuet. I want to see square enix make it so bards can effectively use ogcds while in minuet, once thats done they can probably tone the damage buff off minuet back down and you'd end up seeing the same numbers except the play would be a lot smoother / consistent with non minuet bard.

[lugiaXD]

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i agree, i really just want the playstyle back.
playing on minuet just feels so hacked together and i honestly feel like they had so many other things they could have done with minuet to fix that issue but went with the most lazy fix possible, my only hope is that with alex savage or 3.1 where they may be more inclined to do something big they'll address the playstyle issues.

i honestly believe they could have done something besides attack bard's mobility with a cast time on almost everything.

[MrYaah]

i agree, i really just want the playstyle back.
playing on minuet just feels so hacked together and i honestly feel like they had so many other things they could have done with minuet to fix that issue but went with the most lazy fix possible, my only hope is that with alex savage or 3.1 where they may be more inclined to do something big they'll address the playstyle issues.

i honestly believe they could have done something besides attack bard's mobility with a cast time on almost everything.

To be fair its not exactly as easy a problem to fix as most people seem to think. I see a lot of people saying to just root bards or give them stacking buffs for not moving or a skill that buffs your damage until you move then goes on cd. The problem is now you have something that REALLY limits your mobility to the point where just about any mechanic would murder your dps. At least with 1.5 second casttime theres a decently large amount of time to dodge and you dont lose any dps if you do it correctly, theres not a lot of situations that require so much mobility that you need to drop minuet, and when there are its quiet easy to do now.

I kinda like the idea of letting you use BL during the cast for skills in minuet, maybe apply the damage to the charged skill where you're shooting two arrows at once, the gcd and the BL. This doesnt fix it for people who dont want the caster playstyle but it does bring back most of the ogcd management you'd be used to under nonminuet bard. Its the best idea I can come up with at least. I say just be patient, the devs are probably working on a solution still because they already acknowledged that the rotation for bard is clunky as fuck right now under minuet but they're gonna want to do a good job and that takes time. Hopefully their solution is better than mine.

[lugiaXD]

To be fair its not exactly as easy a problem to fix as most people seem to think. I see a lot of people saying to just root bards or give them stacking buffs for not moving or a skill that buffs your damage until you move then goes on cd. The problem is now you have something that REALLY limits your mobility to the point where just about any mechanic would murder your dps. At least with 1.5 second casttime theres a decently large amount of time to dodge and you dont lose any dps if you do it correctly, theres not a lot of situations that require so much mobility that you need to drop minuet, and when there are its quiet easy to do now.

I kinda like the idea of letting you use BL during the cast for skills in minuet, maybe apply the damage to the charged skill where you're shooting two arrows at once, the gcd and the BL. This doesnt fix it for people who dont want the caster playstyle but it does bring back most of the ogcd management you'd be used to under nonminuet bard. Its the best idea I can come up with at least. I say just be patient, the devs are probably working on a solution still because they already acknowledged that the rotation for bard is clunky as fuck right now under minuet but they're gonna want to do a good job and that takes time. Hopefully their solution is better than mine.

i'm actually in the camp that doesn't agree with the stacking buffs for being root in place.

i've posted a couple of times the best fix i can think of in terms of a risk vs reward playstyle but regardless of that i feel like there are different options of what they could do to fix up the playstyle have a risk and still reward you for it.

someone mentioned making minuet take MP, i'm in the camp of making it remove our support altogether and giving us auto attacks back (reduce it's buff to 10-15%), they could also do something along the lines of while in minuet you just straight up take more damage as long as you use it but get a 15% damage buff constantly until you turn i off (aka perma B4B).

there are other ways to do it besides what i mentioned, i'm just typing this at like 3:20 am so my brain is barely working, anyway i'm glad that this thread isn't actually just a lot of whining and there are people who are trying to constructively figure out how to fix bard because honestly i don't feel like i am having fun playing the game anymore and at that point what's really the point.

[Aiselia]

To be fair its not exactly as easy a problem to fix as most people seem to think.

Actually, it really is.

Remove the cast times from abilities while under WM, give back auto attacks during it, make it so you can't play other songs while under WM.

Anyone who doesn't like the caster playstyle is now satisfied that the class is back to how it was before and they didn't just get the rug pulled out from under them.
Any concerns about how hard OGCDs are to weave in with cast times is nullified.
And the class becomes far more useful in the 95% of content that doesn't require TP/MP batteries, while still retaining the eventual damage drop when those songs do become necessary.

What's so hard about that? It solves every complaint from both Bards AND non-Bards who don't like the relatively low damage of Bards making DPS checks or burn phases harder.