7 tanks 1 heals ravana extreme

[Kuwagami]

That 900 scared me. I parsed at 576 last night on a clear and was second highest in group and I was thinking that had to be really good, then I see 900 and I was like "wut". But ah, dummy parse.

What is "normal" and "good" in Ravana ex as OT?

I got 650 on dummy with no pots/food/party whatsoever as a WAR (no STR accessories either), and 700ish as an OT in Ravana (party + food only, lv50 food). With all of them, 800-900 is definitively a thing you can do

[Perzeval]

It's hard to believe that you do only 650 DPS on a dummy and 700 on Ravana (yes, even with party buff/food and the increased damage he takes during Liberation). I do 900 DPS on a dummy and wouldn't believe I could manage that same or even higher DPS on Ravana.

[Hyunckel]

well, from what im reading (keep that in mind) tanks are seeing 900-ish, BRD/MCH are currently close to that (a bit lower at times, but they are getting a buff soon), and the other DPS classes (BLM, SMN,DRG) are hitting 1200-1300. those are high numbers, average im sure are far below that.

Yeah except you only get those numbers on Lv50! dummies OR during those 15 sec burst dps windows in Ravana EX

Sustained, over the whole fight, I get to an averaged conglomerate of 450-475 dps. More often than not close to 500. While being offtank. With NO warrior debuff. And NO Ninja debuff.

I'm at 700-750 ish more or less sustained on Dummy, until I get oom at the 2min mark or out of TP after 3 minutes.

Managed to attain 985 in a burst during Prelude to Liberation.

But yeah, I've seen my fair share of MCH doing less than me lol. They barely do more than me on the whole averaged fight. And that's because they are ranged during Pillar of Heaven, Prelude to Apocalypse knockbacks etc.

Highest DPS I've seen so far was a BLM topping charts at 650-700 ish . . .

[Kuwagami]

It's hard to believe that you do only 650 DPS on a dummy and 700 on Ravana (yes, even with party buff/food and the increased damage he takes during Liberation). I do 900 DPS on a dummy and wouldn't believe I could manage that same or even higher DPS on Ravana.

If you save your bursts solely for sword phases, you can have more damage there than on a dummy. Also, I often forget about fracture on dummies, while I put it when I OT. It adds a little in the balance.

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there might be a problem with your parser or your groups then. I often see people at 750-800 on Ravana, even though the average on my runs is around 650-700.

[Perzeval]

If you save your bursts solely for sword phases, you can have more damage there than on a dummy. Also, I often forget about fracture on dummies, while I put it when I OT. It adds a little in the balance.



there might be a problem with your parser or your groups then. I often see people at 750-800 on Ravana, even though the average on my runs is around 650-700.

I know when to utilize my berserk, and when I do I fit in a triple fell cleave with full Str accessories. There are only 4 liberation phases and the first + second liberation phases are quite close to each other, no chance you'll have berserk up for both. Plus, Ravana jumps a lot you'll have to deal with mechanics in meanwhile.

What I'm saying is, 650 DPS on a dummy is like, really really bad for a WAR, even with full VIT accessory and a i170 weapon you would deal more than that. Plus, you never do more damage during a ravana fight than on a dummy parse. According to your logic, Dragoons should deal 1300+ DPS during Ravana Ex, but they don't. So yeah, I would definitely check your parser first. If you are doing unmerged parses where the downtimes are being cut off, you would naturally end up with higher DPS...

[Ditto]

A Warrior OT on Ravana should be holding 800 - 900 easily, with bursts going as high as 1200.

A Dark Knight, high end nowadays is probably 700 - 750, but they'll rarely reach anything higher and actually be able to hold it. Drk has no burst either, so their DPS is fairly streamlined within the short duration their TP lasts for.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

800-900 merged? I really don't see how I could possibly be dealing more dps than I do (now it's probably a little bit higher due to a few gear upgrades, but it's not 200-300 higher).

Only major thing that I do that reduces my dps in Ravana Ex is maintaining SP instead of BB combos, except during the Liberation cast bars.

I could also see a very high dps group that breaks the warlord she'll faster inflating individual dps, as all those 0s are rather crippling.

[Ditto]

800-900 merged? I really don't see how I could possibly be dealing more dps than I do (now it's probably a little bit higher due to a few gear upgrades, but it's not 200-300 higher).

Only major thing that I do that reduces my dps in Ravana Ex is maintaining SP instead of BB combos, except during the Liberation cast bars.

I could also see a very high dps group that breaks the warlord she'll faster inflating individual dps, as all those 0s are rather crippling.

Honestly SP should only be used if your group actually needs it. Sure it helps, but if you have the fight on farm, usually you can skip ever using path. If anything, just save it for the last phase when things actually start to get rough. Before that, so long as you're double soaking cleaves and people are not screwing up mechanics, no outgoing damage needs path.

That wouldn't make a 200 - 300 DPS difference though. Idk exactly what you're doing, but you should definitely be going higher as OT.

Also if you're parsing 576 and you're the second highest in DPS, then holy crap your groups DPS are doing something terribly wrong.

[Kuwagami]

What I'm saying is, 650 DPS on a dummy is like, really really bad for a WAR, even with full VIT accessory and a i170 weapon you would deal more than that.

that was in i164 with i170 weapon, full vit accessories, no food, no party, no pots. If that's bad, well, my bad is still better than most dps I see in game with their full i180 (save for Ravana ex runs, as I only do end game with friends). And I do not see how to improve it except replacing SP by BB but that wouldn't change a lot.

[Perzeval]

A Warrior OT on Ravana should be holding 800 - 900 easily, with bursts going as high as 1200.

A Dark Knight, high end nowadays is probably 700 - 750, but they'll rarely reach anything higher and actually be able to hold it. Drk has no burst either, so their DPS is fairly streamlined within the short duration their TP lasts for.

Got a merged parse to show for the 900 DPS? 1200 DPS burst I can do, depending on crits, and my overall OT DPS is around 700. Heck, our Paladin was solo tanking Ravana and I didn't even have to soak any cleaves, I was just an additional DPS. But 900 sustained DPS on a WAR OT would be incredible indeed and is something I need to see. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but you are making it sound like 900 DPS is some "easy" stuff, but in reality it would put veteran warriors like XenoSys to shame, lol.

P.S. After checking Lodestone, seeing how you don't have a WAR at lvl 60 kinda makes me doubt your judgement regarding "easy" WAR DPS...

that was in i164 with i170 weapon, full vit accessories, no food, no party, no pots. If that's bad, well, my bad is still better than most dps I see in game with their full i180 (save for Ravana ex runs, as I only do end game with friends). And I do not see how to improve it except replacing SP by BB but that wouldn't change a lot.

Once again, the thing I could not believe is that you claim doing almost 10% more DPS (650 vs 700) during a ravana fight compared to a dummy fight. I was doing around 860 (5 minute parse) on a dummy with no food, party or pots, in i167 with i180 weapon. 650 DPS on a dummy is beyond the lowest end for a WAR but 700 DPS on Ravana is very good (in my opinion). And the DPS difference between using BB and SP combo is actually quite small, heck, it's only 30 potency over the course of 6-7 GCDs. So I don't really understand the discrepancy between your claims.

If you are using ACT and your settings ends each encounter after 6 seconds idling (standard setting) it's not going to be an accurate parse!