BRD/MCH Fixed!

[CastyMcgee]

Uh... no, if I sign up for a DPS class I expect to be as equal as possible to the rest of them. Not some closet support hybrid thats only really valuable when playing in a bad group that cant manage their TP/MP. If youd like to kindly point me to the "in-game" description of BRD I may have missed that says we will always be gimped DPS then im all ears.

Guessing you skipped the job quest cutscenes? or didn't read the text when you talked to Jehantel?

"What does a bard do?
... the bard I would speak of is one born from a battle-hardened archer--one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."

[Kayote]

Guessing you skipped the job quest cutscenes? or didn't read the text when you talked to Jehantel?

"What does a bard do?
... the bard I would speak of is one born from a battle-hardened archer--one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."

Where did I say we dont sing? Where does that say our DPS will always be gimped? Not only is that some glorified lore 30 levels into the game but I dont see where is says we're not really DPS, contradicting everything the player was told from the minute he picked his class/role and future job.

[codofwisdom]

one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."

Yes, quite ironic at the moment, isn't it?
Only thing I'll say is that our songs do not inspire to greater feats of martial prowess. They allow people to attack for longer, but not hit harder.
To me, that's the biggest failing of the Bard Job. If the bard raised everyone elses DPS, then no-one would care if we hit like a wet paper towel.

I want nothing more than to support. Not to heal, not to tank, but to help everyone else do better. Make everyone feel like they are kicking the crap out of the enemy, while I stand in the back, smiling faintly and singing.

[Allyrion]

Yes, quite ironic at the moment, isn't it?
Only thing I'll say is that our songs do not inspire to greater feats of martial prowess. They allow people to attack for longer, but not hit harder.
To me, that's the biggest failing of the Bard Job. If the bard raised everyone elses DPS, then no-one would care if we hit like a wet paper towel.

I want nothing more than to support. Not to heal, not to tank, but to help everyone else do better. Make everyone feel like they are kicking the crap out of the enemy, while I stand in the back, smiling faintly and singing.

It's funny, cause as a Ninja I can raise everyone's dps and we're top tier dps.

In the end though, BRDs have had gimped dps for most of 2.0 but they were always pretty much guaranteed a spot.
Part of the reason was the support, the other part was the mobility.
But they're moving away from the mobility part with WM. So they should have more damage than they used to.

It would be nice if there was more support or utility to them (both BRD and MCH) as well, once it doesn't cause BRD/MCH stacking.
They're probably never going to be true support as you wish. If there was, they'd have to add a specific support role slot to avoid a myriad of issues with comp.

[Vyshan]

I want nothing more than to support. Not to heal, not to tank, but to help everyone else do better. Make everyone feel like they are kicking the crap out of the enemy, while I stand in the back, smiling faintly and singing.

A valid point, as well. I'm totally fine with being a low dps class, if I could actually SUPPORT the group. But our group support is limited to being a potion with hitpoints. Where are our group buffs that do other things, like increase secondary stats? (Determination, crit chance, parry for instance).

But no, we're just potions with hitpoints. And because other jobs have skills that help with mp/tp regen, we're not even critically vital potions with hitpoints, unless people are screwing up on a regular basis.

[IgneelDraggnilius]

Awesome burn!


"What does a bard do?
... the bard I would speak of is one born from a battle-hardened archer--one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."[/QUOTE]