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  1. #551
    Player
    Lyaha's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Lyaha Mathis
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 63
    Quote Originally Posted by Noira View Post
    I always kinda thought of WM as a focused bard stance.

    Like when you noc an arrow and you pull the string back and the more you pulled "cast" the stronger the force of the arrow.

    That's me <.< I kinda thought bard should have started with WM :x
    Probably part of the issue, were WM there 2.0, I probably would have picked another class to level, but it didn't and you shouldn't change an entire class unless it's completely broken, which it wasn't. Instead of giving us fun new abilities they forced a play style change on us.

    I'm gonna give it another shot, but my opinion won't change, this shouldn't have happened on an old class, that's what new classes are for, new play styles.
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  2. #552
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    kalasnikov's Avatar
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    Elon Salver
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    Cerberus
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    Archer Lv 60
    We still have a chance for minuet to be completely changed! Join the chorus! Buffing the stance wont take away my main gripe! I want my mobility back damn it!!!
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  3. #553
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    Character
    Snow Ball
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 70
    Sadly, the WM change was pretty much what I was afraid of.
    A slap on potency and make it a toggle, nerf the non WM brd a lil more as a bonus to make sure people will use the crappy stance.
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  4. #554
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    Character
    Jeyrr Stenn
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowaeth View Post
    Sadly, the WM change was pretty much what I was afraid of.
    A slap on potency and make it a toggle, nerf the non WM brd a lil more as a bonus to make sure people will use the crappy stance.
    Um, they've only nerfed EA and Sidewinder, which were only usable under WM anyway. The non-WM Bard is unchanged.
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  5. #555
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    Character
    Katchoo Choovanski
    World
    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 70
    Sidewinder did not require WM
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  6. #556
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Teladi Bishop
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacost View Post
    Um, they've only nerfed EA and Sidewinder, which were only usable under WM anyway. The non-WM Bard is unchanged.
    I thought sidewinder could be used outside of WM? So with sidewinder getting some nerfs, and not using wm to make up for it. Non wm bards did kinda get nerfed. Even though I question it kinda..
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  7. #557
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    Rowyne Olde
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 80
    Sidewinder had an incorrect tooltip that said it could only be used under WM.

  8. #558
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    Kitkat's Avatar
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    Character
    Kaliga Moonshade
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 100
    So, currently while it was a nerf to Sidewinder/Emp. Arrow the overall increase was positive in that at average ilvl 171 (180 weapon) I'm seeing parse at 900. Hopefully someone with 190 weapon and 180 otherwise is seeing closer to 1000DPS+
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  9. #559
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    Ooshima's Avatar
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    Character
    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kitkat View Post
    So, currently while it was a nerf to Sidewinder/Emp. Arrow the overall increase was positive in that at average ilvl 171 (180 weapon) I'm seeing parse at 900. Hopefully someone with 190 weapon and 180 otherwise is seeing closer to 1000DPS+
    Did a random parse, IL190 weapon @ IL180 total. 3mins exact, no food/pot/party/dragoon, 945DPS
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  10. #560
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    Mr Yaah
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    Did a random parse, IL190 weapon @ IL180 total. 3mins exact, no food/pot/party/dragoon, 945DPS
    I parsed a few times today as bard (leveled machinist to 60 and wanted to compare dps) and was sustaining 980 dps over 5 minutes with party buff / food / hq x dex pot in opener / no drg / no minuet.
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