3.01 Patch Notes

[Blood-Aki]

I wonder what happend to ''Alexander after 2 weeks to not rush people to 60'', now that they added a clause:
''olol, forgot to mention you need to be full i170 law gear to be able to enter; guess everyone that rushed to 60 did the right thing after all!''

Rushing to 60 usually means having a 60 within the 1st 2-3 days of the actual release, 2 weeks is plenty of time for one 60 even by the slowest player.. in fact a few people already have 3-4 60 jobs. so, no it is the right time frame for majority to be 60.

Even people with lives and full times jobs have 60 jobs at this point. The time frame is correct.

[Aeyis]

Rushing to 60 usually means having a 60 within the 1st 2-3 days of the actual release, 2 weeks is plenty of time for one 60 even by the slowest player.. in fact a few people already have 3-4 60 jobs. so, no it is the right time frame for majority to be 60.

Even people with lives and full times jobs have 60 jobs at this point. The time frame is correct.

You forgot the part where you have to get full 170 by spamming dungeons. The slower players are only reaching 60 now, or did so a few days ago. How you expect these players to already be full 170 is beyond me.


People with lives and full time jobs typically dont have (anywhere near to) full 170. And god forbid they also took the time to level crafting/gathering.


As such, anyone that got to 60 and put a lot of extra effort into going to 170~ or higher gets a clear advantage over those that ''took their time to enjoy the road to 60''

[Blood-Aki]

You forgot the part where you have to get full 170 by spamming dungeons. The slower players are only reaching 60 now, or did so a few days ago. How you expect these players to already be full 170 is beyond me.


People with lives and full time jobs typically dont have (anywhere near to) full 170. And god forbid they also took the time to level crafting/gathering.


As such, anyone that got to 60 and put a lot of extra effort into going to 170~ or higher gets a clear advantage over those that ''took their time to enjoy the road to 60''

You also forgot how cheap and easy those are to get just by working dungons and doing dailies, i already know someone with an 8 hour shift and even has not been on much still has full i 170 gear with half being i180 already, that's not really an excuse.

[Aeyis]

You also forgot how cheap and easy those are to get just by working, i already know someone with an 8 hour shift and even has not been on much still has full i 170 gear with half being i180 already, that's not really an excuse.

Having an 8 hour shift does not mean the person cant also be playing the game 8 hours a day. Fact of the matter is that Alexander was ment to be released after 2 weeks to ''give everyone the time to enjoy leveling at their own pace''; yet their neglecting of mentioning the ilvl requirements (which are not the same as entry dungeon) seems to speak otherwise.


Soldiery isnt hard to get. But it does take some measure of time. Let me ask you, how did you gain most of your tomes? From roulettes. Roulettes that wont earn you law untill you are level 60. Getting a full set of i170 requires a fair bit of dungeon spamming, something the ''players who took their time to enjoy leveling to 60'' havent had much of.

Now I play 8 hours~ per day myself. But that doesnt mean I have to be inconsiderate of those that dont.


I'm not entirely sure why the ''full defense lets bash this! offense!'' radar went off.
The argument is simple. ''enjoy the time to level 60'' ''everyone will be able to start off on the same footing, regardless if they played a lot during the 2 weeks or not''
vs ''-1 hour patch notes: need to be full soldiery to enter alex''

How you can even sit there with a straight face and argue that this isnt a contradiction is beyond me.

[Blood-Aki]

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SO because you're lazy with gearing, it's not possible to be geared for alex? i dont know what to tell you. i have already proven there has been plenty of time personally by seeing peopel who hardly even log on for the past 2 weeks are fully geared past i170, im not sure what your excuse is.

the only one you could "fail" this check is if you only logged on 1-2 days out of the week. and skipped most dailies.

[Aeyis]

SO because you're lazy with gearing, it's not possible to be geared for alex? i dont know what to tell you. i have already proven there has been plenty of time personally by seeing peopel who hardly even log on for the past 2 weeks are fully geared past i170, im not sure what your excuse is.

the only one you could "fail" this check is if you only logged on 1-2 days out of the week. and skipped most dailies.

Did you miss the part where I dont feel like I should be inconsiderate towards others just because I have a lot of time I can spend on this game?
Do you know why the people that hardly log on are i170? Because they rushed to 60, spammed some dungeons; then got bored and barely log on untill Alex release. I'm sure youll see them log on again a whole lot more (for a while).

Or perhaps you missed the part where being i170 is by no means impossible, just that anyone who took their time to enjoy leveling probably isnt ilvl170 right now.




Still I find it ironic that you would call me lazy. ^_^;;
I suppose you have a point there. After all I've only fully penta melded my gatherers equipment, but still slacking on the crafting equipment!

[Blood-Aki]

Did you miss the part where I dont feel like I should be inconsiderate towards others just because I have a lot of time I can spend on this game?
Do you know why the people that hardly log on are i170? Because they rushed to 60, spammed some dungeons; then got bored and barely log on untill Alex release. I'm sure youll see them log on again a whole lot more (for a while).

Or perhaps you missed the part where being i170 is by no means impossible, just that anyone who took their time to enjoy leveling probably isnt ilvl170 right now.




Still I find it ironic that you would call me lazy. ^_^;;
I suppose you have a point there. After all I've only fully penta melded my gatherers equipment, but still slacking on the crafting equipment!

one of them didnt get 60 till a week later... he couldnt have been more slower, not sure how that is "rushing" but ok, what ever helps you sleep at night.

[Allyrion]

Or perhaps you missed the part where being i170 is by no means impossible, just that anyone who took their time to enjoy leveling probably isnt ilvl170 right now.

People who take their time will take their time to decide to go to the new raid as well.
It got held off so people wouldn't feel like rushing through leveling and gearing.
There's always going to be a difference of opinion over the amount of time is needed.

If someone really wanted to be ready for the raid launch, they had plenty of time to see sights and sounds, get to 60 and get full 170.
If they want to be on the edge of raiding, that is. But if they did a lot more things like crafting and other stuff then being ready for raid launch wasn't a real priority.

I'm really surprised anyone who's really waiting for this launch wouldn't think they should at least get full 170.
It's a Coil type of raid.

The hold off was for hardcore players to not skip the story or rush through leveling. You have to compare it to Coil which was there on release.
But make no mistake, Alex's current release is still for more hardcore players.
They gave just enough time for those players to enjoy the experience, while still prioritizing being raid ready.
And there's still wiggle room since really hardcore is being over 180 ilvl.

So I don't see a huge contradiction here.
They did this so the World First and Server First guilds wouldn't feel compelled to power level with the competition right out the gate.
That's who they were talking to when they said we'd have time.

A casual player, well they might not even touch Alex until a catch up raid like Crystal Tower is released in 3.1.
That's how it was for Coil. Even with the savage vs normal difficulties, Alexander (normal) was still presented as a hardcore raid compared to something like CT.
So I don't know why people would think a 2 week hold off meant you would be able to experience all of HW before Alexander came out, or a guaranteed entry if you had limited time.
All it meant was that the race didn't start on launch.

You shouldn't care about that race if you have limited time, or you have other priorities (which is completely reasonable).
In that case, you can get to the raid on your own time. And the 2-week gating already did its job.

[Colorful]

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What exactly is stopping those players from doing the raid later on? You can get fully geared in Law in just about a week with your daily roulettes, and maybe a little dungeon farming. I'm not sure what the alternative is to cater to those slower players is, other than changing the requirement to i145 (since i160 also requires you do expert dungeons) which would be nerfing the raid to the point of it being pointless.

[Dererk]

You forgot the part where you have to get full 170 by spamming dungeons. The slower players are only reaching 60 now, or did so a few days ago. How you expect these players to already be full 170 is beyond me.


People with lives and full time jobs typically dont have (anywhere near to) full 170. And god forbid they also took the time to level crafting/gathering.


As such, anyone that got to 60 and put a lot of extra effort into going to 170~ or higher gets a clear advantage over those that ''took their time to enjoy the road to 60''

I spent 2 days of early access to get DRK to 50 I spent about a week doing main story then started gearing doesn't take that long.