SMN Theorycraft and comparison to Blm

[pandabearcat]

You really feel applying an always on debuff counts as utility? That's pretty much the opposite of utility.

I didn't realize every party had a scholar. Might as well say "why bring a ninja for slashing debuff, warriors already provide it".

You really don't think raise is very good? Hmm...I'd trade all utility from any other class (maybe not bard) for another battleres.

Furthermore, if say, SMN brought a caster damage cooldown or applied an always on caster damage debuff...

1. Your class would be balanced around it. Which means you'd just do 10% less damage.
2. You'd give up an ability to gain it. Again, a loss all around.

Woo.

Also I didn't realize that having more virus was a bad thing. Or that SCH already had 100% uptime on Eye for Eye. Or that having 2 shadowflares is better than 0 (or 1, if you're dead set on every raid has a scholar).

SMN's utility is very, very good. Just because it is not a dps increase does not mean it is not utility.

[HaroldSaxon]

You really feel applying an always on debuff counts as utility? That's pretty much the opposite of utility.

That is why I said "DPS Utility". Not just flat utility.

I didn't realize every party had a scholar. Might as well say "why bring a ninja for slashing debuff, warriors already provide it".

Because doesn't Ninja's rotation change when you bring a warrior so you get more DPS? Just like when you bring two Monks, one can just use bootshine. That is still DPS utility.

Furthermore, I said unique utility. I didn't say the utility was useless. I also didn't say which healer classes are optimal because i'm not a healer, but from what i've heard (and it could be wrong), that WHM+SCH are stronger for healing. But again, not a healer.

You really don't think raise is very good? Hmm...I'd trade all utility from any other class (maybe not bard) for another battleres.

I don't think its as useful in progression as Dragon Kick or more DPS.

Furthermore, if say, SMN brought a caster damage cooldown or applied an always on caster damage debuff...

1. Your class would be balanced around it. Which means you'd just do 10% less damage.
2. You'd give up an ability to gain it. Again, a loss all around.

Woo.

Not necessarily. Add it to another ability, and it would enable a caster based party to compete with Melee based party.

Also I didn't realize that having more virus was a bad thing.

Its almost as if Virus applies a debuff onto the boss which doesn't allow further virus usage until its cooldown is back up.

Or that SCH already had 100% uptime on Eye for Eye.

No, but its still not unique to the class. Other classes can use it.

Or that having 2 shadowflares is better than 0 (or 1, if you're dead set on every raid has a scholar).

Does the Shadowflare slow stack?

SMN's utility is very, very good. Just because it is not a dps increase does not mean it is not utility.

I never said it wasn't, that is why I specified DPS utility in my post. In future, can you actually read my posts