Dat Fell Cleave tho...

[Alphras]

Their multiple DPS cooldowns does more than make up for their lower potency and lack of oGCDs. Fell Cleave doesn't decrease the gap between tank damage, it makes the gap even bigger. There is no tank that can even do remotely the same damage as a warrior.

You never saw a good PLD in SwO if you really think WAR is that far ahead.

[Falgern]

Nonsense. If your just solo parsing then yeah, after 3+ minutes you'll have no TP but if you're in a group you can ask for Goad or Paeon or Machinist TP bot or use one of the many times the boss goes invulnerable to recover a few bits of TP.

Which then again pushes more to a burst style of gameplay where WAR is even more preferred.

And even more silly since it requires another class to help with the TP management, which gets even worse the more you pop blood sword, and thats the only way to do respectable DPS as a DRK.

You never saw a good PLD in SwO if you really think WAR is that far ahead.

Haven't seen a PLD reaching the same numbers as a WAR has no. I've seen parses where the OT PLD is slightly ahead of the MT WAR on Ravana.

If you could show me some numbers a PLD can do I would be happy to look at them.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Their multiple DPS cooldowns does more than make up for their lower potency and lack of oGCDs. Fell Cleave doesn't decrease the gap between tank damage, it makes the gap even bigger. There is no tank that can even do remotely the same damage as a warrior.

You're either grossly overestimating WAR or grossly underestimating PLD/DRK.

Also, I specifically said that Fell Cleave is what keeps WAR competitive, not what makes WAR competitive. The distinction being that, without Fell Cleave, WAR would be falling behind.

All that said, if you have hard, reliable, numbers, then please prove me wrong. Unfortunately, my PLD and DRK aren't 60 yet, so I can't perform a practical comparison myself.

[DGladius]

Shouldn't WAR do the most dps out of the tanks? Well at least more than paladins since they get the best mitigations and use shield with sword. I don't see a problem.

[Temjiu]

Shouldn't WAR do the most dps out of the tanks? Well at least more than paladins since they get the best mitigations and use shield with sword. I don't see a problem.

That was always the idea. PLD had an easier time with mitigations, WAR had the edge in Damage. all things being equal, the WAR should still have that edge. So even if Fell Cleave gave them a DPS advantage, I don't see it as broke or OP. That being given, too many people pay far too much attention to big numbers that fly up, and ignore those smaller numbers that add up fast. if they would have given WAR a skill that increased auto attack damage to the point where the overal damage is where it is now, no one would really complain, because people rarely pay attention to AA nuimbers. it's a perceptual issue for the most part.

[Synestra]

Reason why warriors are now more DPS than tank is due all 2 current endgame bosses favors high burst damage(and one of them has gimmic)and that is where warriors excel alongside DRG, alexander savage will show real numbers so i assume we will see adjustments for many jobs after that.

[Falgern]

You're either grossly overestimating WAR or grossly underestimating PLD/DRK.

Also, I specifically said that Fell Cleave is what keeps WAR competitive, not what makes WAR competitive. The distinction being that, without Fell Cleave, WAR would be falling behind.

All that said, if you have hard, reliable, numbers, then please prove me wrong. Unfortunately, my PLD and DRK aren't 60 yet, so I can't perform a practical comparison myself.

Here are two links where the guys slap the target dummies around.

DRK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXSARA33N3E

WAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqplRY7URUA

After two minutes of constant beating on the targeting dummy the DRK is pretty much out of TP, and considering the low amount of time it's also considered a burst and would put the DRK at most 700 dps after three minutes where as the WAR can keep going for another few minutes. So that's a 100 dps difference between a burst DRK and a sustained WAR

[Temjiu]

Here are two links where the guys slap the target dummies around.

DRK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXSARA33N3E

WAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqplRY7URUA

After two minutes of constant beating on the targeting dummy the DRK is pretty much out of TP, and considering the low amount of time it's also considered a burst and would put the DRK at most 700 dps after three minutes where as the WAR can keep going for another few minutes. So that's a 100 dps difference between a burst DRK and a sustained WAR

And if a DRK was in a group with no NIN, no BRD, and no MCH I could see your point. The changes of that happening are quite slim...real groups =/= practice dummy

[Falgern]

And if a DRK was in a group with no NIN, no BRD, and no MCH I could see your point. The changes of that happening are quite slim...real groups =/= practice dummy

Isn't it a problem when a class relies on another player to be able to perform much worse than another class? And if we are looking at real fights it will get even worse since WAR has huge burst. Currently WAR are doing equal damage to or more than BRDs without anyone even raising an eyebrow. There is no way a tank should be allowed to do as much damage as DPS classes. I'm fine with WAR doing slightly more damage, but they are doing much more damage right now.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Isn't it a problem when a class relies on another player to be able to perform much worse than another class? And if we are looking at real fights it will get even worse since WAR has huge burst. Currently WAR are doing equal damage to or more than BRDs without anyone even raising an eyebrow. There is no way a tank should be allowed to do as much damage as DPS classes. I'm fine with WAR doing slightly more damage, but they are doing much more damage right now.

Except BRDs are not a DPS class, they are support. Tanks should be doing more then support. Support just needs better support. <3