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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    Plays a Final Fantasy game, complains there's too much story. Okay then.
    You have to remember that returning players don't get to break up the story into 5-hour-chunks-every-3-months. You have to catch up on ALL of the story you've missed before reaching relevant/worthwhile gameplay options.

    I spent the last 3 weeks grinding cutscenes. About 5% of my playtime was actual gameplay. The rest was dialog.

    Even skipping cutscenes, it's still "wow I have 95 quests left to run around skipping before I can do what I feel like doing in this game right now."
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    Quote Originally Posted by OccamX View Post
    You have to remember that returning players don't get to break up the story into 5-hour-chunks-every-3-months. You have to catch up on ALL of the story you've missed before reaching relevant/worthwhile gameplay options.

    I spent the last 3 weeks grinding cutscenes. About 5% of my playtime was actual gameplay. The rest was dialog.

    Even skipping cutscenes, it's still "wow I have 95 quests left to run around skipping before I can do what I feel like doing in this game right now."
    Ok, but you have to remember that active players can go weeks/months between updates without any story, where all they've been doing is grinding combat. And if it comes down to designing a game for active players versus possible returning players, I'm going to have to side in favor of the former.

    Also, nowhere does it say you had to spend the last three weeks grinding cutscenes. Why can't you just play the game normally (i.e. a little mainstory questing mixed in with a plethora of other activities that are available).. you know, pace yourself rather than trying to race to the end as fast as possible. That's on you, not anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyson View Post
    Ok, but you have to remember that active players can go weeks/months between updates without any story, where all they've been doing is grinding combat. And if it comes down to designing a game for active players versus possible returning players, I'm going to have to side in favor of the former.
    I agree with you here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyson View Post
    Also, nowhere does it say you had to spend the last three weeks grinding cutscenes. Why can't you just play the game normally (i.e. a little mainstory questing mixed in with a plethora of other activities that are available).. you know, pace yourself rather than trying to race to the end as fast as possible. That's on you, not anyone else.
    And do what? Grind Shiva and Ramuh for gear I don't need? Maybe I should go back and grind Haukke's Manor while I'm at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OccamX View Post
    And do what? Grind Shiva and Ramuh for gear I don't need? Maybe I should go back and grind Haukke's Manor while I'm at it.
    If you just want to get back to the game and be rushed to 60 to have the shiney new "end game" gear without any effort involved to catch up, and without caring about the story, you have to know that this was already heavily debated and the general consensus was "deal with it, this isn't WoW".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    If you just want to get back to the game and be rushed to 60 to have the shiney new "end game" gear without any effort involved to catch up, and without caring about the story, you have to know that this was already heavily debated and the general consensus was "deal with it, this isn't WoW".
    Cute. No, but seriously. New expansion comes out, all my gear is 110 from quests. Why do ilvl 80 content when my gear is 110?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OccamX View Post
    New expansion comes out, all my gear is 110 from quests. Why do ilvl 80 content when my gear is 110?
    Oh, I don't know, for the content?

    Jeez... Whatever happened to enjoying games for the content? Why does the reward matter more than the content? That's very backwards.

    I can understand the frustration of needing to do all the previous content to catch up to the new. I went through it myself. However, I enjoyed my time going through the content, because I find the line between leveling content and endgame content arbitrary.

    Content is content. All content is content. If I don't enjoy content, I won't do it. If I do enjoy it, I don't care if it's "endgame" or not. Content not being endgame content does not hinder my enjoyment in any way. Boy, it's easier to enjoy my time in MMOs when I actually enjoy the MMO.
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    Last edited by Vandril; 07-05-2015 at 05:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OccamX View Post
    Cute. No, but seriously. New expansion comes out, all my gear is 110 from quests. Why do ilvl 80 content when my gear is 110?
    For serious I've run dungeons below me for glamor.
    By "run" I mean do them about maybe fifty runs because the stupid item won't drop-

    Anyway there are tons of reasons to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    "deal with it, this isn't WoW".
    I have to completely agree with this, WoW has watered down it's mechanics so much its quite literally click accept quest return rinse repeat, now to me THAT's boring and terrible, where as I find the story and talking to npc's a huge plus in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    I have to completely agree with this, WoW has watered down it's mechanics so much its quite literally click accept quest return rinse repeat, now to me THAT's boring and terrible, where as I find the story and talking to npc's a huge plus in this game.
    Your opinion is as valid as mine. In my view, quests that have you kill monsters are more interesting than quests that have you talk to the next NPC. With or without an interesting dialog.
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    If this game has a lot of text or cutscenes to you, you clearly aren't a diehard FF fan.

    You can pick out literally any other FF game after 3 and it makes the amount of text in this game look like a children's book.
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