memorial service for MCH

[Shhikasan]

Yea guys. RIP MCH http://i.imgur.com/NgZRUQr.png

uses a goon to up dps on a dummy. parse is literally a dummy. I've still yet to see Ravana ex parses with and without gb. I would totally run some ravana ex but I need a viable dps before alex launches and my nin is pretty close to 60 with a whole 180 set waiting for it till they give mch a buff.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

if you literally have nothing up no quick reload no reload you'll run into pressing 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 in rare chance I ended up pressing 1 enough times to see quick reload off cd with no proc. its literally rng and its good and bad but that is what mch basically do when nothing is up so if you did know a mch then you'd know this happens kinda of often and seeing no procs. the only pretender here is you.

Easy there, wasn't trying to get you all worked up, Desperado. Hey, if that works for you, keep doing it. I don't. Maybe I'm just lucky with procs. Or maybe I. . . oh I dunno, actually think outside the damn box a little. If you sit there waiting for procs to govern how you DPS as a whole, I feel bad for you son. Sure, MCH DPS is low, but I'm like to believe that it's likely due to garbage in, garbage out.

Oh, no offense. Wouldn't wanna proc getting those panties in a bunch!

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

uses a goon to up dps on a dummy. parse is literally a dummy. I've still yet to see Ravana ex parses with and without gb. I would totally run some ravana ex but I need a viable dps before alex launches and my nin is pretty close to 60 with a whole 180 set waiting for it till they give mch a buff.

TIL they give it a buff? And I'm the pretender. . . Man, if MCH gets a huge buff (unlikely, but we'll see) that bandwagon is gonna be PACKED.

P.S. I've done most of everything without my FC; never bought, never carried, not that you care or need to know. Without a relic, generally undergeared by most accepted standards, and still pulling my weight and then some. But hey, make all the assumptions you like if it makes you feel better.

[Zyrusticae]

Or maybe I. . . oh I dunno, actually think outside the damn box a little.

I'm struggling to imagine what "out of the box thinking" gets you when there's literally no abilities you can hit while both reload and quick reload are on cd. At this point I'm inclined to think you're just taking the piss. Or just making sh*t up, I dnno.

[...]I'm like to believe that it's likely due to garbage in, garbage out.

Seriously, can you be any more obnoxious? Wait, don't answer that. I don't want to know.

All I can say is that I kindly suggest you make your point without making an utter ass of yourself like you are now. Few will take your sh*t seriously if you're going to take this tone with everyone who disagrees with you.

[OmegaStrongtan]

There needs to be a safety web for RNG.
Fail? next chance is 60%, Fail again? next chance will be 70% ...
On proc it will reset back to 50% chance.
Maybe add a bonus if you are lucky enough to hit multiple 1 2 3 combos in a row? But yeah RNG needs some safety web for sure. I liked my MCH in the beginning but having no luck with procs made me stop using mine.

[Atlaworks]

Sassy cat jimjams

Ease back on the sass a little, eh? You can convey your point without insulting people.

I'm giving up MCH despite how much I love it because that kick while I'm down from the hotfix was too much for me, and I don't want to play a class that seems to be a sinking ship. However, if you find yourself incredibly successful with it, I'd love to hear how you play, since you did take time to go on about how you don't wait for procs.

Don't just tell us how you're better than those "pretenders". Show us. Teach us. If you can make the class viable, I'd love to learn.

[Ryaz]

Well, I personally keep GB on all the time and I've adapted to slide casting. I may lose a split shot cast every now and then, but it's usually not that bad. It also gives me Gauss Round to break up the monotony during down time from Reload. Is it a dps loss? Maybe. We haven't really had any parses from dungeons or primals to really show either way. Everything is based on test dummies. I'd like to see some real parses from actual content.

[Hypie]

Well, I personally keep GB on all the time and I've adapted to slide casting. I may lose a split shot cast every now and then, but it's usually not that bad. It also gives me Gauss Round to break up the monotony during down time from Reload. Is it a dps loss? Maybe. We haven't really had any parses from dungeons or primals to really show either way. Everything is based on test dummies. I'd like to see some real parses from actual content.

Problem is you can get banned for posting actual parser data(forum AND game). its like the fight club, everybody knows its there but nobody is allowed to show you.

[RedHare]

Before the Rapid Fire + Gauss Barrel nerf, I felt pretty let down already. Now I'm just wondering what they're going to do. Even animations are unimpressive. I remember when they showed the MACHINIST at a live event. Even YoshiP looked bored.

More disappointing because NINJA, the new class before the HEAVENSWARD, really added some variety into the roster.

MACHINIST plays like another execution of BARD, aligning buffs with *one* burst combo...And waiting. It requires more effort to be mediocre than the other classes to be amazing. (I don't think that is an exaggeration.)

Why the need for it to be proc based, at all? Is it really implausible to have SPLIT SHOT > SLUG SHOT > CLEAN SHOT be a regular combo?

If there was a real need for a SUPPORT class within the mechanics of XIV, then I'd be much warmer to it. Still though, will be my main Ranged DPS.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You know, you're absolutely right. I can make points without being sassy or whatnot. I was merely giving back what was given. Nice? No. Fair? Probably not. But it's said, done, and past tense now.

As for MCH, there's no way I'm going to claim to be a pro at a job that's not even 2 weeks old yet. I mean yes, coming from Bard, some things were pretty similar (keep Hot Shot and Lead Shot up like Straight Shot & DoTs), other things came with time or trial and error (every now and then I STILL accidentally refresh my Lead Shot right after a Reassemble). The rest, honestly, comes from simply TRYING things. Not parses. Not following someone's days-old "this is how you play this" guide. Doing it my own damn self.

Just tonight, purely on a whim, I decided to practice on a dummy. What kind of numbers can I pull with no turret, no buffs, no ammo, and NOT using procs? That was the question Honestly, at i163, with an upgraded Law weapon, I was pulling (generally) low 600s [this is raw damage numbers on hit] with Split Shot. Slug and Clean were generally low to mid 400s. BUT! I did discover that our 1-2-3 is NOT a linear combo, as I'm sure many already knew. If you're willing to sacrifice the damage that could be done, you can easily use Slug Shot and proc Clean, go BACK and use Split, proc Slug, use your proc-Clean, use your proc-Slug, and still potentially get ANOTHER proc Clean Shot. Without Ammo. In a nutshell: 2 (proc 3), 1 (proc 2), 3, 2 (possibly proc 3 again), 3. And you could possibly do that infinitely.

Yes, that's heavily reliant on RNG, and maybe more technical than it needs to be, but that was done several times intentionally, not consistently, without Reloads or Quick Reloads. And since Reload/Quick Reload can work retroactively (I can fire a proc-Slug Shot, RL/QR then still get a proc-Clean) imagine how you can work that to your advantage. No, you're not going to suddenly pull amazing DPS out of a hat with that, but it beats 1-1-1-1-1-waiting for 2-1-1-2!-nope, no 3-1-1-1-1. . .

Fact is, it's a 2 week old job. NO ONE is an expert yet. No one can even claim it, especially with defeatist threads like this. Personally, I'll take that challenge. I don't care to be considered an expert, I'm only interested in doing my best with what I'm given, and I don't think what I've been given is so unusable at all. If it were, I'd have seen it WELL before 60. But I haven't. I haven't done any Ex Primals yet, no, but nor have I been kicked from anything, excluded from anything, or performed so terribly that the party suffered for it. Why? Because I'm willing to switch it up. Willing to try it my own way and maybe learn something - good or bad - in the process. I didn't start with 1-1-1, and I have no need of it now.

Am I the best? Nope. Will I ever be? Probably not. Do I care? NO. I like Machinist. THAT is why I play it. I was excited for it the moment I saw it, and I switched mains for it. I have no regrets, and few complaints. Yes, it definitely needs a buff. And shorter cooldowns on some key skills. But it's not enough to call it quits. So yeah, when I say "R.I.P. pretenders" I'm calling out all the people who are so easily giving up. I accepted the good and bad of Bard. Pre-nerf, post-nerf. I'll take Machinist as it is now, and hope for better. If not, then I do the best with what I've got.