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  1. #11
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    Sessurea's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    Huh? If I recall, they always did... unless they changed something and now they can refresh Bloodletter even if they don't crit?
    ye rivers of blood trait always did that on dot crits.
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    Renabi Rena
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    Huh? If I recall, they always did... unless they changed something and now they can refresh Bloodletter even if they don't crit?
    I could have sworn it just used to be Venomous Bite which refreshed the cooldown. It could have been changed before Heavensward, lol. I wasn't paying that much attention to the changes to Bard on the other patces.
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    I recall it was only Venomous bite also that caused bloodlettre to proc.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by mb52139 View Post
    I recall it was only Venomous bite also that caused bloodlettre to proc.
    Was always windbite and venomous bite.
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    River of Blood works the same as it always did nothing changed for the past 2 years.
    Both dots work with it.

    As for mentioning the extra info about Quick Nock, it was always the to go aoe unless targets were out of range and impossible to properly position, which was pretty much never.
    So bards only got buffs in the aoe department although this did make Wide Volley an even less useful option than it already was, but you shouldn't have been using that skill in the first place.
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    Last edited by Snowaeth; 07-04-2015 at 07:04 AM.

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    Well the OP been trying to defend these changes ever since EA. I'm still trying to figure out why? WM IS CLEARLY NOT SOMETHING WE BENEFIT FROM OUTSIDE OF OPENERS. It has already been addressed it doesnt work as intended. Whenever I see The_Last_Dragoon post something I cry a little inside. Not because he himself got the right to play as he likes to, but because others might get caught in his agenda and ignore all the faults BRD has right now.

    WE ARE NOT BOW WIZARDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon View Post
    I could have sworn it just used to be Venomous Bite which refreshed the cooldown. It could have been changed before Heavensward, lol. I wasn't paying that much attention to the changes to Bard on the other patces.
    and this pretty much sums it all up...

    EDIT: just to clarify I have nothing personal against you OP. And we are gonna see some changes to BRD before Alex Savage comes out anyway so im gonna wait and see what happens. Until then.. Stay strong fellow Bards.
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    Last edited by Boss_Koivula; 07-04-2015 at 12:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    Well the OP been trying to defend these changes ever since EA. I'm still trying to figure out why? WM IS CLEARLY NOT SOMETHING WE BENEFIT FROM OUTSIDE OF OPENERS. It has already been addressed it doesnt work as intended. Whenever I see The_Last_Dragoon post something I cry a little inside. Not because he himself got the right to play as he likes to, but because others might get caught in his agenda and ignore all the faults BRD has right now.

    WE ARE NOT BOW WIZARDS.
    There are literally fifty thousand other threads if you want to go complain... please use those instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    Whenever I see The_Last_Dragoon post something I cry a little inside. Not because he himself got the right to play as he likes to, but because others might get caught in his agenda and ignore all the faults BRD has right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    WE ARE NOT BOW WIZARDS.
    Very true, and I could have sworn I was one of the first ones who looked at the skills video and lamented what was lost because of it. On that side note I also posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon View Post
    First off, let me start with asking you NOT to bog down this thread with "Bard sucks right now" or "Bards need a buff." The purpose of this thread is to point out a few things about how bard changes with WM on and off.
    For a very good reason mind you. I'd rather this be a thread where people exchange what they've discovered rather than harp on what they already know.
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    Aika Kayoi
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    I honestly am enjoying WM, BRD never really had a rotation and the priority system was quite simple but when you chuck in a caster stance with less opportunity for oGCD and add fights with movement, you get something that deepens the priority system quite a bit and gives the job a bit more finesse to separate who's good and who's not.
    Clipping dots early if you think they'll drop because you won't be able to recast IJ, prioritizing specific oGCDs depending on what's happening and what'll be next, (maybe) holding SS procs for a GCD to set up empy+barrage with less clipping or planning around movement that's coming very soon, etc, all this type of stuff adds a much more clear gap than what we had before, which was more or less "if you're decent at bard, you're almost at the skill cap, if you're good at bard, you do a million different minmaxy things for an underwhelming gain that nobody will really notice or care for"

    If they allow you to dance in and out of it easier some of that will be taken away, but if they make WM more desirable to "everybody" I'll be happy to see how much BRD dps fluctuates based on skill level.
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    Last edited by aabe; 07-04-2015 at 02:02 PM.

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