Dear Yoship, HUGE thank you from a SMN

[Mhikail]

This incoherent whining made my eyes bleed - remove the pets from the "PET JERB!" to make it more reliant on pets?

Not a whine. A mere suggestion because as it stands the pets are stupid. I'll try to explain easier.
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You either:
A. Make them interact with pets more. Which doesn't seem likely from the course of things.
B. Make them an Envoker type of deal and remove the pets. - Seems more of their course, but without pet removal.
They are just there for show it seems. They seem to make it where it's more of the Summoner....being the summon anyways.
We have no idea how Summoner's Pets will play later on, it'll be nice to have both. It just feels tagged on now.
Very hard to talk about this subject because time and time again peoples opinions get pissed on.
Kinda annoying.

Just give us a Beast Tamer and don't screw it up like they did Summoner. [When I say that, I mean as a Pet job.]

Or you get over it and realize that summoner is just fine as is. Again, what people want out of summoner can't exist in an mmo environment.

It's never going to change to your liking, find some way to deal with it or be mad forever I guess.

Or you can not be an arsehat and let people have suggestions. Crazy thought, I know right?
I wasn't mad at all when typing this. I even said I'd try it again since it seems more fun.
I already forsaw a lot of jerkish replies anyway so I'm done giving my two cents. Yikes.

[SirDiscoFrog]

It seems now SMN feels more of AOE damager as a crowd controller and BLM single target damager which IMO should be. But its early to judge until Alex comes out for real testing.

It definitely does feel like that now with Painflare and Ahk Morn. I don't mind this one bit lol

I loved my SMN in 2.0 and my main complaints for the class has been fixed with 3.0. Iffy's shield has nice utility(even in certain boss fights when timed nicely) and he hits a lot more targets with his AoE size increase. I find myself honestly going back and forth between the 2 often depending on how long a trash mob will last or how the mechanics of a boss fight will work instead of before where it was mainly me using Garuda on trash mobs and Ifrit on bosses(with exceptions). Just having another viable option for Aetherflow is nice, especially one thats AoE. It would suck only having the option of ruin spam or bane an already almost dead set of mobs. And TriDisaster. Not even just MP issues but just being able to spread dots faster (and safer *glares at BisEX and LEviEX* :3) is a plus.

I am still hoping some egi glamour news comes soon. I don't care for entirely new pets as Summon I/II/III fit the bill that's needed and there's more opportunity in giving those 3 new abilities but I cant deny wanting to use Almighty Lord Nugget in every situation I can. If I cant use a Summon III Titan Egi, then I'll settle for Shiva lol

[ckc22]

Not a whine. A mere suggestion because as it stands the pets are stupid. I'll try to explain easier.
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You either:
A. Make them interact with pets more. Which doesn't seem likely from the course of things.
B. Make them an Envoker type of deal and remove the pets. - Seems more of their course, but without pet removal.
They are just there for show it seems. They seem to make it where it's more of the Summoner....being the summon anyways.
We have no idea how Summoner's Pets will play later on, it'll be nice to have both. It just feels tagged on now.
Very hard to talk about this subject because time and time again peoples opinions get pissed on.
Kinda annoying.

Just give us a Beast Tamer and don't screw it up like they did Summoner. [When I say that, I mean as a Pet job.]

Or you get over it and realize that summoner is just fine as is. Again, what people want out of summoner can't exist in an mmo environment.

[Alberel]

People can complain about lack of pets all they want, 3 pets or 30 there still will only be 1 that is THE pet to use and the others will go collect dust in the eather.

Except this isn't true at all and any SMN who actually believes this doesn't know how to play their job properly.

Ifrit is better in single-target fights; Garuda is better in multi-target fights. I'm starting to see SMNs regularly switching pets in dungeons now which is great. That is exactly how a pet job should work: situationally useful pets that you switch between on a per-fight basis. SE seems to realise this now which is also likely why Ifrit got stealth buffed in the expansion as well. More pets can definitely work as long as those pets fill a niche that the others don't already cover. A pet with an AOE auto-attack akin to the MCH turret would be useful, as would a pet dedicated to crowd control. They wouldn't see constant use but they would have situational uses which is exactly how a pet job is meant to play.

I agree with the OP though, the SMN changes have really made the job a lot more fun and versatile. The only problem now is the BLMs whining because they're no longer better than us at everything.

[Averax]

The rotation has a feeling of completeness now that it didn't have before.

Before, it was: Aetherflow->Apply dots->Fester on CD/Ruin Spam/Refresh DoTs/wait for aetherflow to pop back up.

Now we have something fun to do while we wait for Aetherflow to be ready, and another method of dot refreshing so that its less annoying.

Not to mention our increased AoE burst capabilities. (Painflare has also saved my butt on fights where things need to die quickly, like Ravana's butterflies)

I still have my wishes for the class (An example: an alternate stance that allows for more burst based direct dps rather than sustained dot dps, to help with shorter fights, or periods that things need to die quickly. Shadow Priests in WoW have something like this). But i'm much happier than i was with the job, and who knows, maybe in time i'll get my wish.

[SarcasmMisser]

Who's 'we'? A lot of Summoners were disappointed in changes because...Hi, it's a PET JOB.
Meh, we've been around and again with the Summoner status.
So far, it doesn't feel like what a SUMMONER is in the FF series.
Egi's are for show now. Remove Egi's and let us, the summoner, use special attacks from stances of Shiva/Ifrit/Titan and so on.
Put in Beast Tamer or whatever you call it and that can be a REAL pet job.
I'm going to try SMN again since it seems like it's in a better place.

People are being pretty insensitive to other SMN's feel though.
If it's a pet job, you expect more interactions with the pets.
Big 'DUH' right there lol. I do say on the other side of the coin; try and be happy with what we got as of now and hope for a rework with pets later.
SMN was in a horrible spot in 2.0.

It's never going to change to your liking, find some way to deal with it or be mad forever I guess.

[loreleidiangelo]

I had planned for 3.0 to swap my main from SMN to Astrologian, but considering how AST is pretty undertuned right now I'm leveling my SMN now "just in case". I'm only level 55 now, so no access to the SUPER cool abilities yet, but even just the slight changes have made me very happy. Did a Sohm Al yesterday with a tank who, after the first pull, declared: "Thank god, I finally got some GOOD DPS in the DF" and proceeded to mass pull the entire rest of the dungeon without a single hiccup (the other DPS was also a SMN, and neck and neck with me on numbers).

Can't wait to get home and grind out some more levels, so I can finally experience Dreadwyrm Trance.

[Havenae]

Yeah Yoshi, thanks so much for ignoring every single it of feedback that has been posted on these forums about the summoner job.

Oh and thanks for being lazy and screwing us out of our namesake by not giving us any more egis.

[Mature]

Yeah Yoshi, thanks so much for ignoring every single it of feedback that has been posted on these forums about the summoner job.

Oh and thanks for being lazy and screwing us out of our namesake by not giving us any more egis.

The feedback has been answered . You can't expect to have it all. The SMN job has been immensely improved and I'm 100% happy with it. No interested in New egis right now. Maybe in the future.

[Azuta]

Yes it is vastly improved summoner. Now I'll only ever bring it out for speed running dungeons for loot. So thank you se for the new farming tool

Though yeah I could never main that thing on the pure principle. That is as quite a few other people have said here. A summoner in name alone :0 and nothing more then that.

I am pretty sure that if they put there collective heads together they could translate the single player summoner to a proper mmo environment the likes that would put 11 to shame......oh wait no they can copy the warlock class from world of warcraft yeah!

But hey new farming tool woot ^_^