Can we please rename Bismark EX to DPScheck EX?

[Shamirah]

Yeah Intaki you're the first reason posts like this exist.

First : you can't read. The subject was "parsers are needed" as in : need to be authorized/implemented directly into the game. So yeah, in this situation, no they can't report me.

Second : I don't use parsers, it does not prevent me from knowing who is just plain bad. It's just annoying to analyze everyone's actions to find the guilty one(s). With a authorized parser, it'll be much easier and people would actually be able to progress instead of staying baddies because SE is protecting them (funny thing is that in the end... SE is just making the game worse with this rule).

[Sessurea]

And then they can tell SE and you won't have an account anymore.

When you wave around parser results at other people, expect consequences.

If someone said "hey lan your dps is a bit low..." I'd be interested to see how it could improve etc. It's not something I would do myself, but I would take it constructively if ppl said it to me. I find dps optimizing quite a fun topic .

[Shamirah]

If someone said "hey lan your dps is a bit low..." I'd be interested to see how it could improve etc. It's not something I would do myself, but I would take it constructively if ppl said it to me. I find dps optimizing quite a fun topic .

Yeah. Exactly, I'm not gonna kick someone just because he does bad dps. I'm just gonna tell him his dps/hps/damage taken is a bit low/too high and try to help him...

[Hypie]

Yeah. Exactly, I'm not gonna kick someone just because he does bad dps. I'm just gonna tell him his dps/hps/damage taken is a bit low/too high and try to help him...

Problem: You are the Minority of the Mass who would do that. THe Mass would just say "your dps sucks...yo lead kick him out". Thats why se will never permit parser like stuff in xiv. because its a plain plague..

[Mhikail]

I have a hard time with taking Cole seriously because a lot of his topics are complaints.
Then he proceeds to get very very frustrated and is in near tears. [Which he said so himself.]
in another topic and was about to quit.

Look, first of all...
If you're doing it in DF, then LOL.
Secondly, the stuff just came out. People need to stop expecting people to be good.
Make your own PF then, or find a static, find friends on who you can rely on.
A lot of people can even roll their rotations correctly right now. Takes time.

[Lillia]

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Funny thing, it aint even a rule to not use it as SE can't stop you from using one. It's a rule to not parade around saying "I got a parser" to the world and forcing players to play at their maximum with non-constructive criticism.

Do you know what the above logic screams to me? DPS to the most effective means necessary because I want to zerg this as fast as possible then move on to the next fun run/content as fast as or get the heck out so I can find another DPS who will. I'm not saying that this mentality is everyone, I know for a fact that it's not but just because you or the next ten players won't do that doesn't mean you guys can justify for those who will.

So instead of blaming Intaki, how about you blame those who do parse then come around to players who just want to casually play and enjoy their time then go about calling them the worse scums of scums for not pulling high numbers before booting them if they even give them the privilege of being booted instead of harassing them till the end of the run.

I know a lot of players playing do use parsers regardless of warning but the ones who want to be parsed normally ask for this, if the player using such a thing chooses to talk about parsing knowing the risks of even openly putting it out there then it's like asking for it. Even though I say the above doesn't mean everyone is against parses either, some like yourself don't use it and don't see anything wrong with it however there are people who just want to play and enjoy the game, they aren't interested in competing in the top DPS epeen battle.

The door does swing both ways in the end, players do have some right to just want to get through things and have the maximum dps flowing through in their trials. The best bet in most situations is to drag capable friends with the same interest or a static along or make a PF with the agreement of whats expected of the party whether it be learning or strict strike rules and move on with it, those who agree will join and those who don't care for it just won't.

If you get people who agreed to strikes but die a lot then they have no right to complain about beating booted as long as they weren't trash talked before being removed, as it was warned in the message. I personally hate strikes and I'm agreeing with this much at least because it's just a fair act.

[Shamirah]

I killed bismarck ex with a DF group. We kept people who fucked up hard for a long time. We replaced the ones that really did not say anything/listen. It's possible (i had to write during the fights to tell people what to do during the differents weather effects tho.)

Also I don't agree at all Hypie. You say I'm a minority but that's false. I think the major problem are the people who are bad and don't want to change anything about the way they're playing and are too lazy to actually try harder. I've played an aweful lot of MMORPGs with dpsmeter. I've seen a lot of really bad dps. The amount of times I saw someone getting kicked instantly because his dps was too low must be around 1%. Most of the time, what I see is the following : the bad player takes offense instantly and insult/blame the others and ragequit.

[Sapphic]

So instead of blaming Intaki, how about you blame those who do parse then come around to players who just want to casually play and enjoy their time then go about calling them the worse scums of scums for not pulling high numbers before booting them if they even give them the privilege of being booted instead of harassing them till the end of the run.

You are delusional if you don't think that happens already. For one, with many jobs you can see if someone is herp derping. EG a BLM spamming blizzard 1 with full mana, or large gaps between casting with no movement requirements. MNKs not able to maintain GL1 never mind 3. Players already get kicked for performing terribly to a point content can't be cleared. Parsers will highlight to the players with facts on why they were kicked instead of them leaving thinking the other players are at fault. Hopefully giving some of them a wake up call that problem is on their side, not everyone else.

I killed bismarck ex with a DF group.

Just one flaw there, you can't Duty Finder Bismark Ex.

Most of the time, what I see is the following : the bad player takes offense instantly and insult/blame the others and ragequit.

Can't argue with that, as see the same thing. The ones who eat dirt the most, rage the most at everyone else. It's an Ego thing XD

[NRhodes]

I think the major problem are the people who are bad and don't want to change anything about the way they're playing and are too lazy to actually try harder.

While this may be true, you can't go around expecting a casually-based game to adhere to your wants for better players. It's casual for a reason. Problem is - people don't realize their own capabilities (not even just lack of knowledge of the fight) nor put the effort into learning, essentially, wanting to be on the carry wagon. These people need to realize that while they have the luxury of running the content, it probably isn't in the best interest for themselves and not to get butt hurt when people criticize you (the problem with parsing for companies), especially when the criticism is constructive (though most is trollfest).

[NRhodes]

Players already get kicked for performing terribly to a point content can't be cleared. Parsers will highlight to the players with facts on why they were kicked instead of them leaving thinking the other players are at fault. Hopefully giving some of them a wake up call that problem is on their side, not everyone else.

Problem with this is, people never want to admit that THEY are they issue. Too many egos, too much pride. And why even when you say something like "Hey, can you please cast more heals than dpsing cause you are letting me die." or something along those lines, people jump off the deep end and start instantly insulting you. Was it bad advice? No. Was it troll? No. But the fact still remains that they took it that way for whatever reason and honestly, it's pretty pathetic. People just need to chill.