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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    It is called an Advanced job for a reason. Also, you can choose not to use Darkside, thus negating the HP penalty entirely if you want to just be a strong tank. Thus you don't need the sacrifice unless you want more damage.

    It is not required to tank though, it would be a choice.
    Choice, but ultimately out of the developer's intended theme, and a requirement because parties want all the damage they can get. Further, you don't take into account that Grit already triggers a Global Cooldown like Shield and Sword Oath, as well as breaks combos. So is the plan to also have it up during OT DPS phases, draining your MP AND HP while also ripping agro from your main tank because there's no reduction in your damage while Grit is up? That's pretty stupid. So drop Grit during OT phases? Well, gonna suck if you have to quickly return to being MT, and since it triggers a global cooldown, can't switch at the drop of the hat either. You say plan and anticipate things, but the global cooldown in this game is 2.5 second. That's a lot of time for a tank swap that quite likely just went wrong and since DRK doesn't have any skills that generate additional enmity that are off the GCD like Circle of Scorn, you're looking at losing agro again right away. It isn't like Defiance, which can just be thrown up then immediately followed by a Butcher's Block.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceodore View Post
    Choice, but ultimately out of the developer's intended theme.
    I changed completely how one of the skill worked in my suggestion. I believe if I did change the skills you would have to be able to turn off Grit/and Turn off and on Darkside. So when your not tanking you should be able to turn off Grit to not drain your mana. Same with Darkside. Then when your tanking again you can turn it on and go to town.


    It is completely different. I myself would get rid of the Global Cooldown, and remove the Mana Cost as well.












    *SPOILER AHEAD, turn back and ignore if you have not completed the Dark Knight's story!*













    I don't see what your saying. The Dark Knight story, if you have actually done it. Is all about sacrifice and gaining from it philosophically. That "IS" the theme of the class, and i'm sorry if you don't like it. The story is about love, emotions, sacrifice. Even the second ark of the story is about how the girl's father performed a ritual and left it with their daughter. The hateful mother she had killed because she would never stay or change, and the love between the two characters. If you talk to them after it they appear to be getting along well, and might even be lovers in the future. <3

    That is the theme of the class. That is what Dark Knight's in the story are described as, and their philosophy. It is even joked by the girl that he seems to edgy about it.
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    Player Ceodore's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I changed completely how one of the skill worked in my suggestion. I believe if I did change the skills you would have to be able to turn off Grit/and Turn off and on Darkside. So when your not tanking you should be able to turn off Grit to not drain your mana. Same with Darkside. Then when your tanking again you can turn it on and go to town.

    I don't see what your saying. The Dark Knight story, if you have actually done it is all about sacrifice and gaining from it. That "IS" the theme of the class, and i'm sorry if you don't like it.
    Story, perhaps, but the already stated theme has been stated that it's a defender of those who are unjustly accused.

    "Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them?"

    This still doesn't address the issue with the global. You're going to have to remove that entirely from Grit. Frankly, the effects that you are suggesting are still weak too. 15% of damage reduced? Laughable when you're talking about also having another toggle that drains your HP.

    But to top everything off, you say you don't care what the developers want. You're like a child throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting your way because the adults actually know what's best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceodore View Post
    Story, perhaps, but the already stated theme has been stated that it's a defender of those who are unjustly accused.

    "Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them?"

    This still doesn't address the issue with the global. You're going to have to remove that entirely from Grit. Frankly, the effects that you are suggesting are still weak too. 15% of damage reduced? Laughable when you're talking about also having another toggle that drains your HP.
    In concept that seems laughable however in if you combine it with the new Blood Weapon and Blood Price...

    You will gain a large chunk more health over time then you will lose. You will gain a large chunk more MP over time then you will lose.

    =IF= you use them correctly.

    If you notice, 10% of all damage received is converted to HP on Blood Price as well as increased healing received. Its different, but it works.

    Also, since you don't have reduced damage anymore. Soul Eater and Abyssal Drain will heal for more.

    You are thinking too small, you need to look at the big picture.
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    Player Ceodore's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    In concept that seems laughable however in if you combine it with the new Blood Weapon and Blood Price...

    You will gain a large chunk more health over time then you will lose. You will gain a large chunk more MP over time then you will lose.

    =IF= you use them correctly.

    If you notice, 10% of all damage received is converted to HP on Blood Price as well as increased healing received. Its different, but it works.
    And you don't think you will take a ton of damage, or use a ton of MP during the 30 seconds that they are down? Or if you fail to make the full use of them in their duration, you go longer with the same problem. If you get stunned, you'll lose MP. If the boss goes invuln, you will lose HP. All things that can happen during these skills up time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceodore View Post
    And you don't think you will take a ton of damage, or use a ton of MP during the 30 seconds that they are down? Or if you fail to make the full use of them in their duration, you go longer with the same problem. If you get stunned, you'll lose MP. If the boss goes invuln, you will lose HP. All things that can happen during these skills up time.
    Yes, and that is why its an Advanced Job. Also, all of that can be countered by knowing the fight. If you know when things go invuln. Also, you can still turn Dark Side off when they do, for example.

    There might be some fights where you might not even want to turn on Darkside until after invulnerability phases.

    All of this is simply skill, knowing your class.

    Its "Perfect" in my opinion. Advanced Jobs should be harder to play.
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