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    Asmodaeus's Avatar
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    Asmodaeus Doppeldenk
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Dante_V View Post

    People who constantly shoot down the necessity for tools that will help the players shouldn't complain about the problem of low dps because these people amplify the issue.
    The thing is almost every other MMO has parsers (even if not official, but unlike Square other developers don´t ban you for using them and they are widely known) and people still don´t use or ignore them.
    Back in 2008 I did some raid lead in the huge W. We parsed every raid to the deepest crap and talked to the low DPS players but in the end from 10 people maybe 1 listend and tried to really improve.
    Most people just don´t care that they are bad as long as they can get stuff done. The majority stays bad, nerfs will come and at some later time they get the crap done. Ilvl improves, skill stays they same and it goes on and on with newer content.

    Only thing that would help is when everyone could see the numbers of DPS/HPS/DMG taken, so the bads would knew they can´t get away with being bad because other people see what crap they do. The community in endgame content is already toxic to the limit, seeing numbers in parsers wouldn´t make it much worse.

    Just my opinion. Everyone can have another.
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    Last edited by Asmodaeus; 07-03-2015 at 06:44 AM.

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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Asmodaeus View Post
    The thing is almost every other MMO has parsers (even if not official, but unlike Square other developers don´t ban you for using them and they are widely known) and people still don´t use or ignore them. (...) The community in endgame content is already toxic to the limit, seeing numbers in parsers wouldn´t make it much worse.
    I tend to agree on the first point. There are people who aren't going to be interested in improving. That doesn't mean nobody ever will - just that some will be stubborn. There are definitely times where being able to have data straight up telling you "No, you aren't the one pulling their weight" is valueable as a wake up call though.

    That said, though? "The endgame community's bad, so we should feel free to make it worse" isn't a stance I can agree with. A lot of the time, crappy behaviour gets put up with simply because it's believed to be the norm as though it can't be improved; but it's being shown constantly that this is a false assumption. Toxic attitudes can be adressed and improved through a variety of manners - or reinforced, and when given the chance, will get worse.
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