The Paladins lack of an AOE Emnity attack.

[Zfz]

It's very noticeable and painful at lv.60 most packs require AoE and Flash isn't cutting it when your AoE DPSer is putting out 800+ damage a second and your single target DPSer is doing 900-1200 damage a second. It's very hard to control mobs.

What's worse is when you have a SMN who always start DoTs on your secondary target, the reason being that at 50, the first target used to die before they get a full set of DOTs ready to spread. So now they're used to always DOT up the second target.

When I was a fresh 60 with 145 gear and weapon, I had to literally spam my whole MP bar away on Flash just to keep the mobs stuck to me, when I get a 170~180 geared SMN in the party. Now that I have 180 weapon (but still wearing mostly 160), I can save barely enough MP for the next pack and keep just 5% ahead of their enmity. When I have full 170 gear, I suppose this will become a none-issue.

Spamming Flash half the fight is boring, though. No way to deny that.

Divine Veil would be great if it would serve as a enmity booster while it's on the PLD, then as an enmity suppressor when it turns into shields on people. But that's really asking too much. :3

[Viviza]

Gaining a consecrate effect would have been nice (aoe around us that pulses for some damage). Sadly it was not to be.

Circle of Scorn? It has increased threat as a bonus and can be up 60% of the time. It's also 250 potency overall, which is about the same as two overpowers. It's also off the GCD.

Edit: I mean, obviously you know this, but I think it merits reminding that CoS is pretty nice.

[Ashkendor]

For sake of balance, what if we had an AOE finisher - perhaps Royal Authority? It already looks AOEish.

It took Paladin forever to even get a DPS combo. Why do people now keep asking the devs to put enmity on it? =.=

No. Thank you. I like finally having some combo options, especially for off tanking.

It's very noticeable and painful at lv.60 most packs require AoE and Flash isn't cutting it when your AoE DPSer is putting out 800+ damage a second and your single target DPSer is doing 900-1200 damage a second. It's very hard to control mobs.

I don't have any problems with AoE hate between Flash and CoS. If I lose a mob to a single target DPS, it's because we were each targeting different mobs in a pack. That's easily fixed by swapping targets so you're both on the same one. If there's a reason to kill a specific mob, like certain annoying ones in the Fractal Continuum, there's no harm in marking them to make sure everyone's on the same page. Mobs aren't any harder to control now than they were at the end of ARR. Maybe upgrading some gear or switching to strength accessories might help?

Flash getting a buff for paladins might be over due--I would agree Unleash is much better, and Dark has many other aoes where paladins only has a very weak circle of scorn. Maybe increasing the flash multiplier would be all we needed, tied to our flash trait.

It was increased in 2.4, the same time enmity was added to Circle of Scorn.

When I was a fresh 60 with 145 gear and weapon, I had to literally spam my whole MP bar away on Flash just to keep the mobs stuck to me, when I get a 170~180 geared SMN in the party. Now that I have 180 weapon (but still wearing mostly 160), I can save barely enough MP for the next pack and keep just 5% ahead of their enmity. When I have full 170 gear, I suppose this will become a none-issue.

Make sure to use Sheltron as often as you can. It restores about enough mana for one Flash.

[SpookyGhost]

You know what else they lack? A gun. Machinist has a gun, I don't know why PLD doesn't have one.

You know what else PLD doesn't have? An axe. Why should Warrior be the only tank with an axe? In fact, give PLD 2 axes, just to balance it with WAR's 1.

Honestly, we should just take all the jobs and combine them into one completely optimal job called Paladin and call it a day.

[IskarJarak]

If I am rolling with high geared ppl in the new 60 dungeons, I don't worry about hate too much... we have cover, pacification and stuns... let a monk, dragoon or ninja pull hate, just make sure the mob is gonna die without hitting them more than once or twice, or pop DV once they take it and forget about it. Besides, it makes them feel good that they are pulling a mob off of us and makes an overall more enjoyable experience (atleast in my case)

[LastDream]

Why don't they make Halone Rage aoe in cone ? It always seemed to me the animation makes a splash in front of you anyway.

[Xenosan]

When I was a fresh 60 with 145 gear and weapon, I had to literally spam my whole MP bar away on Flash just to keep the mobs stuck to me, when I get a 170~180 geared SMN in the party. Now that I have 180 weapon (but still wearing mostly 160), I can save barely enough MP for the next pack and keep just 5% ahead of their enmity. When I have full 170 gear, I suppose this will become a none-issue.

Adding voice to this. I know of at least one instance where a PLD's first run of the last MSQ dungeon was not a friendly experience. BLM & NIN DPS with Doman gear, likely use to Roulette tome farming, heckling him over losing aggro, despite both of these DDs going ham at +30 ilvls - the BLM AoEing and NIN single target burst (whose opener btw can reach 1,700 DPS) didn't help. Doesn't NIN have an aggro transfer skill now anyhow?

With a potential ilvl difference of ~30, really don't think the MSQ dungeon should be the place for first-timer tanks and tome-farmers to mingle. It sets the stage for a toxic raid experience.

As to PLD AoE aggro, in 2.x - I didn't mind it so much. I made PLD challenging for myself by always trying to reduce the number of Flashes needed to maintain aggro. But for +10 new lvls and nothing to strengthen the AoE arsenal it is a little disappointing. I do like the thought of Divine Veil creating aggro of some amount, adding utility to that CD for non-threatening encounters. Fits the meta of the Paladin too IMO.

If they modified Flash - again - wouldn't that be like mod number 5?

Every time ilvls have increased by large amounts, they've buffed Flash to compensate. Maybe it's time SE realized there's something in the water.

[PerihVashai]

I don't think flash is that bad as I haven't had too many issues with holding hate, but the main thing is that it's so inefficient and slower to bring a PLD for roulettes compared to a DRK or a WAR because of their aoe damage output. You're basically asking for a slower dungeon clear.

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

You know what else they lack? A gun. Machinist has a gun, I don't know why PLD doesn't have one.

You know what else PLD doesn't have? An axe. Why should Warrior be the only tank with an axe? In fact, give PLD 2 axes, just to balance it with WAR's 1.

Honestly, we should just take all the jobs and combine them into one completely optimal job called Paladin and call it a day.

It's already our fault when anything goes wrong. We might as well just be as powerful as a full party of adventurers so we can solo things as the rightful godkings of Eorzea.

[Hypie]

If Royal Authority was AOE but it was at the end of a finisher (not spammable like Unleash and Overpower) it would be fair. Otherwise, take Flash away from DRK and WAR. Why do they get to have flash if we just get flash?

To soothe you. No sane Warrior or DRK would take Flash as Cross.