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  1. #2031
    Player
    exarion's Avatar
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    Character
    Maple Rose
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    From what I've seen DRKs tend to be incompetent and just playing a tank for the instaqueues, or amazingly skilled but running into issues with the job itself being kinda weak compared to PLD/WAR. It's really sad, as there isn't a huge difference between a mediocre paladin and an amazing dark knight when there really should be.

    On the theme of this thread, I recently did the aery with a paladin, who despite being level synced and having run the dungeon before, didn't seem to have a clue. He would run in circles randomly, making the monk unable to do much, would run into the poison clouds, stand in the AoE, not handle prey, and went from full health to dead very quickly when I got caught in the sable price and asked why I didn't heal him. To add injury to insult I then died to sable weave.
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    Last edited by exarion; 06-30-2015 at 03:57 PM. Reason: typo fix

  2. #2032
    Player
    Viar's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Ria Arrow
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 60
    DV. ilvl121 whm, no problems on previous runs.

    Get a PLD tank. Open up a second pull with Divine Seal'd Regen and Cure II to top him off and pop CS. Can I dish Holy spam? Of course not. He dropped from 8k to 2k in 1 GCD. PLD. 6k in 1 GCD to 1 pack of mobs...

    To make things worse, my SC and Benediction were on CD, CS was still on 3 sec CD. He died and, oblivious, blamed it on my lag. The rest of the encounter I spent losing my hope in humanity and opportunity to try and DPS. I don't know why he was dropping that low. Really. He wasn't even in Sword Oath, he was in Shield Oath.

    He apparently didn't know how to use CD's. He popped Convalenscence right after I popped CS and way too late to affect my Regen. I don't know what did he expect me to do. Heal through CS? Popped Awareness just before the pull. Cool moves, but no point in it if he couldn't take non-crit hits. 2 defensive CD's and FoF at adds being at 50%? No Hallowed Ground at all.

    All in all, it was a nightmare.
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  3. #2033
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    Seryl199's Avatar
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    Character
    Delferia Seule
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Viar View Post
    Dusk Vigil
    I had a tough time handling a WAR in Dusk Vigil last night. I'm at i124 AST, the WAR is Dreadwyrm geared, close to if not i130. We got up to the first pack, and I set up HoT's, popped CS, and went for Gravity, and the tank got clobbered. I squeezed off the one Gravity while waiting for CS to come off CD and managed to eke out Essential Dignity with the tank in triple digit HP. Not a CD in sight, even after he switched to DPS stance, causing me to heal him for just as much against two mobs as I had been doing against three. Poor tank has yet to realize that his gear is now just average.
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  4. #2034
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    Sutaru's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Sutaru Sybil
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    I thought Dusk Vigil was okay. I guess I was i130 at the time, but I was healing the tank while reading all of the torn journal pages. I would throw a Stoneskin, Divine Seal Medica II and Regen on the tank, then run over and read the journal. As the tank got to around 50%, I ran back and swiftcast a cure II and a couple cures, run back and finish reading. :P

    I did a really painful Neverreap a couple days ago that I'm still scarred from. The tank was a DRK and there were two BLM. I noticed it was a little slow (about 30 minutes to get to the final boss), but I wasn't in a hurry to go anywhere so I didn't mind. We get to the last boss and for some reason, one of the BLM dies almost immediately. I raise them and realize they're not dodging the boss when he runs around the arena and they're standing on an edge where he turns. I used benediction somewhat early on. The fight continues until I run out of mana with shroud and assize on cooldown. They come back up and I recover a little, but then I run out of mana again. The fight continues long enough for benediction to come back up again. I use benediction again. Seriously, seriously out of mana. BLM are getting hit by almost every tornado. They're not doing much damage to the boss, the adds aren't dying during adds phase and the BLM are taking tons of damage. I look up and notice that the limit break us up, but no one is using it. I point it out and the BLM try, but the tornadoes knock them around until we all die. We wipe at 3%.

    We go back in again. This time, I see that the LB comes up at 44%. I point it out because if we get a full LB 2 at 44%, we could get another LB1 before 10%. If they use it now, that could push DPS enough that the fight won't be as painful as before. One no tries to use the LB. I'm healing, but start to run low on mana. The adds are still taking a very long time to die. The BLM are still taking lots of damage from tornadoes and the boss. At 20%, no one has used the LB. I don't understand why no one is using it and my mana is low, so I use the LB during the AoE knockback. We wipe at 1%.

    On respawn, the DRK asks me why I used the LB. I said it was because no one was using it and my mana was low. He says my mana was around 7k (I honestly don't remember, so I guess I'll take his word for it?). One of the BLM says they don't use LB until around 10-15% because it could kill it. I tell them that it came up so early, we could have gotten another LB bar and it would have been over much sooner. One of the BLM comments that all of their gear is broken.

    The fight continues to take forever. We wipe at something like 30% and they vote kicked me. I still needed my expert roulette, so I queued back up and got the same dungeon. They vote abandoned. I entered expert roulette, got fractal and cleared with ease in just over 20 minutes, walking away with two commendations. I also got three commendations from my low level roulette so at least I had something good happen that day.

    It was definitely the worst experience I've ever had in expert roulette and I'm never queuing expert roulette alone again.
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    Last edited by Sutaru; 07-01-2015 at 05:25 AM.

  5. #2035
    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Miles Saintborough
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    I keep getting tanks trying to speed run the new level 60 dungeons and it's grating my onions. No one seems to realize that trash mobs are not as pathetic as they were in 2.0 and not every healer is up to date with their gear. Neverreap is worse since tanks never seem to try and park themselves in a spot where the rest of us won't be playing "dodge the tornadoes"
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  6. #2036
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    Viar's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Ria Arrow
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Seryl199 View Post
    I had a tough time handling a WAR in Dusk Vigil last night. I'm at i124 AST, the WAR is Dreadwyrm geared, close to if not i130. We got up to the first pack, and I set up HoT's, popped CS, and went for Gravity, and the tank got clobbered. I squeezed off the one Gravity while waiting for CS to come off CD and managed to eke out Essential Dignity with the tank in triple digit HP. Not a CD in sight, even after he switched to DPS stance, causing me to heal him for just as much against two mobs as I had been doing against three. Poor tank has yet to realize that his gear is now just average.
    Honestly? Had no trouble at all stance-dancing with war in Deliverance in DV. Had enough breathing room to drop two-three Holy, and get back to healing. The first time I have less hassle healing war over pld. Just shows how bad that pld was...
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  7. #2037
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    Xenos74's Avatar
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    Feris Vessali
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Viar View Post
    Honestly? Had no trouble at all stance-dancing with war in Deliverance in DV. Had enough breathing room to drop two-three Holy, and get back to healing. The first time I have less hassle healing war over pld. Just shows how bad that pld was...
    I've had that issue with war in Deliverance in DV, once. War was tanking with it and was sitting at a max hp of 7k, mnk trailing right behind at 6800. I couldn't even switch to cleric stance without the tank spiking half of his health and having to blow 2 or 3 lustrates while I took off CS and started Adlo spam.

    It was most likely that I didn't get a very "good" tank, but it also definitely feels like war is much more squishy than before, at least in the 50s. I have zero issues keeping up 60 wars on both ast and sch even on speed pulls in the expert dungeons
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  8. #2038
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Twintania
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    Thy^^ What i fear is that DRK Players will be shunned because they have this "drks are usually players who cant tank and suck" reputation. I really really want to play drk. even in raid. But just to be sure i can see the raid im lvling war up. Thats really sad.

    A "Healing Horror Story" of mine:

    I was lvling my drk and got an ast. He was so focused on drawing cards that i solo healed myself on trash x.x
    Many DRK's I encountered at endgame are decent. One recently in Neverreap was one of the best Tanks I've seen ever. Pulled all 4 wasps and the tree no f**ks given and survived. The reason they have a bad rep is because of levelling content and people playing it because it has a cool name but they don't even understand the fundamentals of Tanking and the DRK skills.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 07-01-2015 at 06:01 PM.

  9. #2039
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    Fumitsuki's Avatar
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    Character
    Valkyrie Starmist
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 60
    I ran Vault to help out an FC member the other night. I'm a WHM i174 we had a WAR tanking for us who did the place in dps stance dies a few times because mobs hit hard not using CDs and hes was still in Dreadwyrm gear. goes off at me saying i'm a shit healer get to last boss after taking 45mins to get there WAR dies from not moving my FC member takes over tanking as a Monk tank. WAR rages in chat telling me to rez him we down the boss and leave i left him to run back not going to rez someone who rages like that.

    The very next run same place but with a DRK tank went smooth told i was a good healer said sorry for being under geared and thanked us at the end.
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  10. #2040
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    Lilyanna's Avatar
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    Mia Koji
    World
    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 53
    Quote Originally Posted by Fumitsuki View Post
    -Snip-
    This kind of stuff is getting out of hand ... I am tried of seeing tanks who don't understand that new content is actually hard at first, ESP if your under geared like that. Or tanks that decide that cooldowns are below them and never use them to help out the healers. OR the people that see your good at your job and proceed to stand in EVERYTHING and think that you are their heal slave. If a tank stands in AOE's, I ask once nicely, then I stop healing completely, you can kick me if you want, idc, I'm not a slave so you can be lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hypie View Post
    I was lvling my drk and got an ast. He was so focused on drawing cards that i solo healed myself on trash x.x
    LOL, when I started leveling my AST, the first thing I did was memorize all the cards so I wouldn't have to: Stop. Read Buff. Decide how to apply. Not that hard actually, since there are only 6, and you can make a cheat sheet and put it next to your TV/Monitor/Whatever ...


    Story-kind of:

    I wasn't healing, but my husband was, I was helping him clear the new dungeons as I was ahead of him and had been 60 for awhile. We get Neverreap, so is all good, I'm on my i145 SMN (Main SCH), we get a PLD & a MNK. I was rocking 1200DPS on aoe and about 800Single (Yeah, I suck, but I tried) ... the sad part was ... the monk ... flat out 200-300 DPS, on everything ... I couldn't say anything because of "OMG get banned for calling out DPS", the Totem boss took like 10minutes! AND then today, my husband queued solo for expert.... got Fact-whatever, and both DPS <500 ... This is starting to want to make me leave.... And I'm not saying that everyone should be God-Like DPS, but <500 DPS is just lazy IMO, when the tank can out DPS you in tank stance or my SCH can out DPS you while keeping the tank up, your horrible. Period.
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    Last edited by Lilyanna; 07-02-2015 at 08:42 PM.

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