Any other Black Mages annoyed?

[Sleigh]

Triple flaring was used in T4
T5
T12
T13
T10 in some rare case

It was also used in T6 with the burn method so you could use RS + Convert twice instead of saving it for that part.

[NovaLevossida]

I honestly don't like where BLM is sitting now. I guess the damage is fine enough (though I lament the AoE nerfs), but I guess what it comes down to is that I don't think it's very fun to have to jump through all these hoops just for your next tier of elemental spells. Seems like they wanted to slap onto the job a needlessly complicated system just to make BLMs do something different.

[Malevicton]

Most blms? I pushed 560~ in t13 just before hw dropped and I didn't triple flare. I pushed 580~ in t8 savage just before hw drop. I -NEVER- triple flared. It was a waste of a potion I could have been stacking with RS for extra damage. Most BLMs were bad. Show me a parse or a video where a BLM triple flares at all and pushes competitive dps and I'll believe you that it was good. As of this moment though I will never -ever- believe it was worth losing RS+XPot a 2nd time to get ONE extra flare out.

and you could've done even more.

Also, "as of this moment" is kinda awkward to follow up with "never ever". Which is it, this moment, or forever? As of 5 minutes from now you will believe something you never ever believed now? I know it's just semantics, but that word choice is really bugging me.

The good news is you aren't entirely wrong: Most BLMs were bad.

[Alberel]

The irony here is somewhat priceless given that all the BLMs were saying SMN was fine when BLMs had the highest single target and AOE damage towards the end of the previous patch cycle.

The original design intent during 2.0 was clear: BLM had bursty AOE damage whilst SMN had slower but consistently higher single target damage. BLMs complained a lot about how much movement heavy fights hurt them back then though, so their single target damage got buffed. After that they were better than SMNs at pretty much everything.

The changes in the expansion brought SMNs back up to par with BLMs. They gave SMNs more burst damage but on a fairly long cooldown. They also gave SMNs some actual AOE at last. For the record, Bane has no target limit but does suffer from diminishing returns now. Painflare is a poor man's flare (only 200 potency and we don't have an astral fire buff to increase that further) and is limited to our aetherflow stacks so we can only cast it three times a minute at the absolute maximum (and usually we'll have other things to spend those stacks on). Deathflare is powerful, yes, but it's on an effective 60s cooldown so don't act like it increases our total dps by much; it's a useful burst skill but we can't spam it like BLMs can hit flare multiple times.

I do agree that Leylines needs some attention given how impractical it is in most group content but seriously, stop with the false comparisons to SMNs, yes we have some burst now but it is on a much larger cooldown than BLM burst.

[hallena]

BLMs complained a lot about how much movement heavy fights hurt them back then though, so their single target damage got buffed.

Except thats not true. They buffed black mage after completely destroying them in 2.1 by *fixing* astral fire and umbral ice tick rate.
If you dont think it was fine for blm to have more single target and aoe than smn in 2.0 then you shouldnt thing its fine for smn to currently have more single target and aoe than blm.

[Valsh]

If you dont think it was fine for blm to have more single target and aoe than smn in 2.0 then you shouldnt thing its fine for smn to currently have more single target and aoe than blm.

Where is this myth coming from that summoners are doing crazy single target, a good black mage should parse higher every single time. BLM when played well on Rav/Bis EX is up there with the Melee DPS.

Yes it's true SMN AoE is ridiculous now compared to what it used to be but that's how the balance See-saw works, deal with it.

[Shurrikhan]

Admittedly I see very little "fun" about the new rotation, going off dungeon, trials, and rotation videos by 60 BLMs, but have yet to test it myself. That being said... BLM AoE seems fairly middle-of-the-road or better, still, where most classes have been pretty well averaged in AoE potential when played well and having about the same range of cooldowns ready when the pull starts. The only strange thing is that there does still seem to be an AoE king -- it's just not BLM, but SMN. (???)

Recorded dummy, Ravana, and Bismark parses around and about the interweb are still showing very good ST dps for BLM, at least when played perfectly.

[HaroldSaxon]

Are you saying Xpots added more to your overall damage than an additional flare on 5+ add in t13 (which by the way mean 15k+ total damage) Because i sure doubt xpots doubled the damage of your fire I

You never needed to run triple flares in the add phase in T13. That phase is timed. Save your cooldowns for the phase after.

[HaroldSaxon]

The irony here is somewhat priceless given that all the BLMs were saying SMN was fine when BLMs had the highest single target and AOE damage towards the end of the previous patch cycle.

The original design intent during 2.0 was clear: BLM had bursty AOE damage whilst SMN had slower but consistently higher single target damage. BLMs complained a lot about how much movement heavy fights hurt them back then though, so their single target damage got buffed. After that they were better than SMNs at pretty much everything.

The changes in the expansion brought SMNs back up to par with BLMs. They gave SMNs more burst damage but on a fairly long cooldown.They also gave SMNs some actual AOE at last. For the record, Bane has no target limit but does suffer from diminishing returns now. Painflare is a poor man's flare (only 200 potency and we don't have an astral fire buff to increase that further) and is limited to our aetherflow stacks so we can only cast it three times a minute at the absolute maximum (and usually we'll have other things to spend those stacks on). Deathflare is powerful, yes, but it's on an effective 60s cooldown so don't act like it increases our total dps by much; it's a useful burst skill but we can't spam it like BLMs can hit flare multiple times.

I do agree that Leylines needs some attention given how impractical it is in most group content but seriously, stop with the false comparisons to SMNs, yes we have some burst now but it is on a much larger cooldown than BLM burst.

SMN wasn't fine last patch. It had mana issues. Other than that, they were fine.

BLM's never had the highest single target damage, Monks did.

Also, have you taken into account the massive nerfs to spellspeed, fey glow (now fey wind), thundercloud and the impracticality of the combination of movement, enochain timers and 10 seconds of Astral Fire?

[AlphaSonic]

What it really annoys me is the fact that the ability surecast doesn't work on blizzard IV or fire IV, if enochian or astral/umbral expire surecast does not force the cast of both spells.