Oh, so FFXIV is pay-to-win? That's... stupid.

[Clawbriar]

The cash shop & extra retainers helped pay for the game and its patches & expansions you're playing now. The cool thing is, both are also entirely optional and don't require your money sans the subscription you already pay.

What I'm saying is: nobody cares. Just don't buy them. Whatever. If you think that they're pay-to-win, then thank you for enlightening us that this is indeed your first MMO.

[Radial]

The cash shop & extra retainers helped pay for the game and its patches & expansions you're playing now. The cool thing is, both are also entirely optional and don't require your money sans the subscription you already pay.

What I'm saying is: nobody cares. Just don't buy them. Whatever. If you think that they're pay-to-win, then thank you for enlightening us that this is indeed your first MMO.

Wow what an asshole way to dismiss our opinions with no substance. I have played dozens of MMO's for over ten years thank you very much, and if any of the old greats tried this crap in their heyday we would've have FLIPPED OUT. But welcome to our new F2P golden age where EVERY game must have microtransactions, MMO or not, sub game or not.

[Clawbriar]

But welcome to our new F2P golden age where EVERY game must have microtransactions, MMO or not, sub game or not.

... micro-transactions which do not affect you or your play time in any single way. Your extra retainers aren't gonna come and help you beat Twintania. Your /embrace emote from the Eternal Bonding ceremony won't quell Titan's rage. And having Sleipnir won't stop Odin from smacking you for six.

If they DID do that, yeah, that's pay to win. But they don't. They're additional and optional services or items that are just that - additional and optional. Having extra retainers for crafting or whatever reason isn't remotely close to pay to win models.

[Radial]

... micro-transactions which do not affect you or your play time in any single way. Your extra retainers aren't gonna come and help you beat Twintania. Your /embrace emote from the Eternal Bonding ceremony won't quell Titan's rage. And having Sleipnir won't stop Odin from smacking you for six.

If they DID do that, yeah, that's pay to win. But they don't. They're additional and optional services or items that are just that - additional and optional. Having extra retainers for crafting or whatever reason isn't remotely close to pay to win models.

Except they DO affect me and my play time in many many ways. Especially since im not primarily a raider.