Forcing us to the entire story quest to unlock the new classes is just bad business

[Exotik_Legacy]

No class is locked and every class start at level 1
What you mean are jobs and jobs always start with lv 30 (or higher if bounded to a class that is already over lv 30).
Also, even during the older job quests you get sending other all places. Not just to places fiting to your level, but also to lv 5 or lv 20 places, if the environment fit into the story.
As an example Ninja, past level 50 you do the job quests still in La Noscea.

Literally made no sense, and Yeah i mean't "jobs" sorry for terminology,


ANYWAYS

Say I am level 50, i have 2.1-2.55 now, not looking forward to 99 quests of complete bloatware unstory related crap other than maybe 20/99 of them, Just clear up the fluff or consolidate it, we don't need to walk around to every npc for a conversation just to end up at the quest giver again, its ridiculous, or at least make the npc chat portions link shelled and faster. PLezzzzz

[Raist]

Actually... the rogue class is locked until you open the Armory System at level 10. And they didn't make that job available to us until after patches progressed our story to the point that it was revealed that a character we've been working with since level 5 in Uldah (a little later for other nations) was indeed a Rouge and another character introduced recently was a NIN---and then a track to unlock those jobs for us was added. Note that all of this happened within the scope of the then current ends of the MSQ, and were level 50 events.

The same process has happened here. What a surprise.... SE is being consistent.

[Asheloux]

Play the game for the game as a whole, not because you think you MIGHT love this future thing that you haven't even tried.

Considering how broken DRK is (like bugged beyond bugged), you might want to wait a bit anyway.
AST is having its issues too as is MCH.
Might be worth the wait haha.

[Tuathaa]

So apparently you understand this point. Hilariously, you don't understand how it invalidates your point. So they're not allowed to make a choice? You get to tell them how everything is supposed to be?

So you are basically saying that anyone who has a complaint, idea, suggestion, want or need should just keep those opinions to themselves.

The whole point of this thread is an attempt to get the devs to change their mind. The only real argument people have is to site lore reasons (which there isn't and no reason the jobs cant be in Coerthas Central Highlands) and to call people lazy.

I have already completed the msq on one character and am doing it again on this one. I have also played the new jobs don't like them and probably wont ever play them.

[Tuathaa]

Yes there is...the jobs were developed and remained within the realm of Ishgard. It wasn't like Rogue and Ninja that were already in the game prior to their releasing our ability to unlock them. Our exposure and their lore was established in the core of the game...the Ishgardian jobs are introduced to us when we finally reach Ishgard.

Other than the fact that is what the devs decided as far as the jobs and job quests go there is no reason. The could have just as easily been placed in coerthas central highlands somewhere like dragoons.

[Tuathaa]

Literally made no sense, and Yeah i mean't "jobs" sorry for terminology,


ANYWAYS

Say I am level 50, i have 2.1-2.55 now, not looking forward to 99 quests of complete bloatware unstory related crap other than maybe 20/99 of them, Just clear up the fluff or consolidate it, we don't need to walk around to every npc for a conversation just to end up at the quest giver again, its ridiculous, or at least make the npc chat portions link shelled and faster. PLezzzzz

I hate to say it but the quests in heavensward aren't any better. The msq flows better but the optional ones are worse and to get to 60 your going to do a fair number of them.

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

So you are basically saying that anyone who has a complaint, idea, suggestion, want or need should just keep those opinions to themselves.

The whole point of this thread is an attempt to get the devs to change their mind. The only real argument people have is to site lore reasons (which there isn't and no reason the jobs cant be in Coerthas Central Highlands) and to call people lazy.

I have already completed the msq on one character and am doing it again on this one. I have also played the new jobs don't like them and probably wont ever play them.

First of all, do not put words in my mouth. I did not say you could not air your opinion. What I said is that your argument for your opinion is both an argument for and against your opinion. That sort of subjective arguing is a weak way to go about anything.

Second of all, at it's core the crux of my argument was this: The right people will get their jobs. Your argument was that the devs decision was the only reason that the jobs were behind the gate at Ishgard. This is true, but I'll bet you they had the same conversation before they made the decision to lock them there. It could be because they wanted to put a valve (however soft) on the number of Dark Knights, Astrologians, and Machinists right out of the gate. It could be that they wanted these new jobs to be a reward for completing 2.55. You can argue this point all you want, but when you make the argument that 'the devs made this decision' then all I can say is, 'You're right, they made this decision. And?'

[Raist]

Other than the fact that is what the devs decided as far as the jobs and job quests go there is no reason. The could have just as easily been placed in coerthas central highlands somewhere like dragoons.

Except that there was no introduction of those jobs as the original story (2.x) progressed--whereas DRG was. The story doesn't really provide a means to introduce them until we hit Ishgard---we aren't teaming up with their forces in a large enough capacity yet until that point. Perhaps you haven't followed the story too well?

Have to remember, with SE and this franchise... it is all about the journey---other than balancing mechanics and such, story tends to trump all in most cases.

[Whiteroom]

I wonder how many of the people whos "friends" bought this expecting to have the jobs and Ishgard right away we sold that notion by the person doing the arguing and not by any unclear marketing on SEs part.

I still get a kick out of this whole arguement though.

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

I wonder how many of the people whos "friends" bought this expecting to have the jobs and Ishgard right away we sold that notion by the person doing the arguing and not by any unclear marketing on SEs part.

I still get a kick out of this whole arguement though.

It's like an olympic torch that doesn't stop burning.