Any other Black Mages annoyed?

[hallena]

If you don't like being single target, then play smn. Basically what you told me except the reverse

you would have a point if smn wasn't equal or in some case flat out better at single target damage

[Asheloux]

I feel the bigger concern to BLM is instead the fact that enochian and ley lines combined with their casting times are severely punished in later bosses. I feel it isn't an AoE damage competition or single target damage competition, but instead that the issue lies in immobility being slapped across the face.

Summoners with ruin 3 get the cast time problem as well, however absolutely by far not as much as BLM. It feels like the 50-60 skills emphasized that weakness of BLM. Mindyou they hit like trucks when done correctly, I have seen much BLM AoE and it is absolutely nothing to be snuffed at. Ley Lines + Enochian + everything else absolutely DECIMATES things.

This.
Something needs to be changed to make that single target dps much more doable at the 60 content. I love seeing that 5k crit come up on the screen when it all works out right. But not being able to actually do anything makes that kind of difficult to appreciate.

Updated thread to specify this is about 2.0 BLMs....

[Malevicton]

If you did that you were wasting a potion that you could have been using on xpots anyway, and was completely irrelevant in content that mattered.

Any fight with an aoe phase it was way more valuable to triple flare than get the xpot main stat buff. If you were only ever using one type of potion for all raid content then you were wasting potions at some point.

[Asheloux]

You could use the hi-elixir for the triple flare and eat food for stat buffs.
Most BLMs triple flare(d). Past tense 'cause it's pointless/impossible now.

[Urielparadox]

All the casting time ley lines saves you is lost when your busy running in and out of it, that's time your not casting. If your lucky and your forced firestarter to refresh af lines up with a dodge then you can go back in but running in and out of it is just bad. It basicly evens out to the same cast times at the end, it was a bad design given the issues blm already has. Also according to dps forums, nin, mnk, and drg all put out a good hundred+ more dps then blm. So we are not top 2 or 3 ST. Our rotation is easy to get right at first and it wasn't complicated to figure out while other jobs are still figuring it out. Dummies are easy. As far as bismark ex goes, I've had some fights were it's a normal fight. And I've had others where I'm the target of 90% of aoes, making damage extremely rough and ley lines 60% worthless. A few qol changes can fix everything and im going to wait till alex comes out to really care. I don't mind being a single target mage.

[Xisin]

I'm honestly getting annoyed with all the exuberant buff proposals to blm. You're just as bad as all the derpy summoner posts back in 2.5

I promise you I'm putting up comparable numbers (not -100 dps like you said holy cow) to top end melees, in some cases beating them. ravana ex is a blm fight... a damn good one.

BLM simply needs QOL... not dramatic changes.. .take the time learn the job instead of asking for extravagant changes to ley lines, or making fire 4 have aoe radius around it (lol? jesus that'd be so broken)

BLM could use: a small potency buff to fire 2, not much a very small tuning, some kind of tuning to thunder, and an extension on AF by 1-2 second... and that is it.

[Meleoffs]

You could use the hi-elixir for the triple flare and eat food for stat buffs.
Most BLMs triple flare(d). Past tense 'cause it's pointless/impossible now.

Most blms? I pushed 560~ in t13 just before hw dropped and I didn't triple flare. I pushed 580~ in t8 savage just before hw drop. I -NEVER- triple flared. It was a waste of a potion I could have been stacking with RS for extra damage. Most BLMs were bad. Show me a parse or a video where a BLM triple flares at all and pushes competitive dps and I'll believe you that it was good. As of this moment though I will never -ever- believe it was worth losing RS+XPot a 2nd time to get ONE extra flare out.

[hallena]

Most blms? I pushed 560~ in t13 just before hw dropped and I didn't triple flare. I pushed 580~ in t8 savage just before hw drop. I -NEVER- triple flared. It was a waste of a potion I could have been stacking with RS for extra damage. Most BLMs were bad. Show me a parse or a video where a BLM triple flares at all and pushes competitive dps and I'll believe you that it was good. As of this moment though I will never -ever- believe it was worth losing RS+XPot a 2nd time to get ONE extra flare out.

Are you saying Xpots added more to your overall damage than an additional flare on 5+ add in t13 (which by the way mean 15k+ total damage) Because i sure doubt xpots doubled the damage of your fire I

[OneWingedSora]

Most blms? I pushed 560~ in t13 just before hw dropped and I didn't triple flare. I pushed 580~ in t8 savage just before hw drop. I -NEVER- triple flared. It was a waste of a potion I could have been stacking with RS for extra damage. Most BLMs were bad. Show me a parse or a video where a BLM triple flares at all and pushes competitive dps and I'll believe you that it was good. As of this moment though I will never -ever- believe it was worth losing RS+XPot a 2nd time to get ONE extra flare out.

On more than two targets yes, it was more DPS to use a mega ether to triple flare. This is coming from someone that did 520 on T13 pre echo, triple flaring the Storm+Gusts(when there's no monk of course) was more DPS than using x-pot+rs and double flaring.

[hallena]

That's a very fringe case though and I can see that being optimal in that very specific situation but a blanket statement that triple flaring is always better isn't the case.

Triple flaring was used in T4
T5
T12
T13
T10 in some rare case
It was situational but more common than you seem to believe. In other case people would use potion to be able to double flare more than once per 3 minutes.