Bard - they broke my job

[Crimpson]

I have been using the normal opening rotation with the song which hits like 900+ on a parser, then after like 3mins of doing the rotation, it just seems the numbers just drop down to around 800 which seems to be a average without the song anyways. I think they just need to make it so it increases our dmg by a bit more than 20% or something.

[SonTensei]

So on a training dummy Minuet does more damage than 2.x attack style. but i spent alot of time at I179 the past few days in ex primals and dungeons.

I dont have a screenshot to show, but basically I was 30-40 dps higher without minuet.
this was in bismark and ravana and also in dungeons..

basically, i wont use minuet at all until they fix it, and i'll still pull my weight for the party.

[yamochan]

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i use it as an opener with barrage,buffs and EA then turn it off its no time waste and its a good starting burst i dont think anyone would deny that

[SonTensei]

i use it as an opener with barrage,buffs and EA then turn it off its no time waste and its a good starting burst i dont think anyone would deny that

on bismark ex its not worth it because you need to save your Cd's for the carapice.

[Panasync]

Step in the right direction, really glad to get official word on Bard's current situation, seems like they're willing to fix it pretty quickly, we'll see though.

From the translation it seems like they're willing to fix some of the issues that he states pre-alex/savage but after that they want to see how the raid plays out before touching it any further. Understandable, hopefully it is that soon and not all after alex/savage.

[yamochan]

@pana well conserdering the fact that right bard has go all out to keep up with the rest it will be interesting if we are even needed for the raid. i dont feel like letting me carry in raids so i probably wont be playing bard by then but yeah lets first see what changes are coming before bismark

@son ok then bismark may be an exeption

[Snugglebutt]

While it is good they acknowledge there is a problem with the class, they were no where near detailed enough in their proposed solution description and they seemed reluctant on the main issue which is while under WM the serious lack of increased DPS is a big problem. It is why so many groups for hard content refuse to bring along a bard or machinist because our DPS is overly limited a lot by the lackluster skills from HW like WM and our low WD which is poor compared to most other DPS class skill sets and other classes WD.

I think secretly SE wants to put people off playing ranged physical DPS as a role and their attempts to screw machinist and bard over in our DPS output from poor skill design is how they are going about it. I will wait to see what their changes do but I doubt SE will do enough. Prior to HW in ARR the classes with biggest issues were DRG and SMN which most will agree do well since HW but it took SE so long to fix those that I am half expecting the two classes with biggest problems in HW aka MCH and BRD wont be completely fixed until 6 months or a year down the line.

[Cetonis]

1) Why kill bard's mobility?
2) WHY remove our auto attack potential in both the Barage nerf and WM?
3) Why does Bard damage scale so poorly with new gear?

1) They didn't, it's intended to be an optional stance to bridge the target dummy dps gap in situations where mobility is irrelevant.

2) Not certain; but they probably wanted to make extra sure that WM was really bad when you need to move a lot. Remember, it's supposed to be a -secondary- mode, not something Bards would be in all or even the majority of the time. So I suspect a lot of WM's weakness stems from SE trying to make dead certain WM wasn't just always-better than normal mode.

3) Secondary stats were re-scaled for everybody. Because of Bard's special relationship with Crit, this may have hurt them harder than it did other classes, but that's a presumption on my part with no math to back it.

[SasakiNori]

3) Secondary stats were re-scaled for everybody. Because of Bard's special relationship with Crit, this may have hurt them harder than it did other classes, but that's a presumption on my part with no math to back it.

Don't forget the worse WD scaling bards (and MCH) have compared to any other class.

[GueRakun]

On Bismarck EX I can do phase 1 and phase 2 without interruption, and on phase 3 i only turn it off on "Wind" phase which has a LOT of movements. Let me see if I can get a parse so people can compare. I am at i170 with i180 bow, missing 2 more law accessories, the rest at i170 no upgrade yet (except for bow).

4 minute parse at i165 with only i170 bow and combo of i160 and i170 gear was at 810 max, all WM.