Machinist needs serious attention

[LittleArrow]

Do you have a number chart that tell each job 's max dps?
I wanna see the number since you even claim that tank do more dps than bard/mch ?

[EDIT] I did post a list with the recorded DPS parsers from reddit, I deleted it b/c there were newer numbers in the reddit posts. I'll try to get the numbers back up. Playing atm, so I apologize I can't. If you want to check for yourself, you can click the updated reddit dps post and look in the comments.

I apologize for the edit, all of the parsing numbers I report here are recorded from reddit and not from me personally.

[xnonamex]

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1) I have a friend playing who is fine with how MCH plays and he is pulling decent numbers in real fights. Also there are some MCH here who tried to suggest that it is actually not that bad but most ppl ignored them. (again. not suggesting that you are wrong!)
2) Well there won't be evidence until we get high lvl raid will there?
3) Oh im interested what that buff is? Haven't had the chance to play so much lately with random party setups so I don't know (again, this is not bashing, im truly interested ).
4) Well i do not know how much it would add. it rly depends on your composition of skills how much actually are piercing. And that is something that i was asking tbh. Cuz also for me it is interesting how much it might add.
5) At which point was I rude?!

@LittleArrow no need to apologize. Just saying that my intention was to never bash against anyone. Just wanted to have a discussion. But it started to get a bit heated imo....

[IfritReborn]

/clap GG SE! 3 buttons less to push on fights now! GB will never be used outside of trash

[Ramath]

1) I have a friend playing who is fine with how MCH plays and he is pulling decent numbers in real fights. Also there are some MCH here who tried to suggest that it is actually not that bad but most ppl ignored them. (again. not suggesting that you are wrong!)
2) Well there won't be evidence until we get high lvl raid will there?
3) Oh im interested what that buff is? Haven't had the chance to play so much lately with random party setups so I don't know (again, this is not bashing, im truly interested ).
4) Well i do not know how much it would add. it rly depends on your composition of skills how much actually are piercing. And that is something that i was asking tbh. Cuz also for me it is interesting how much it might add.
5) At which point was I rude?!

@LittleArrow no need to apologize. Just saying that my intention was to never bash against anyone. Just wanted to have a discussion. But it started to get a bit heated imo....

1) I pull "decent" numbers, too. "Decent" isn't the issue. The issue is the fact that MCN isn't where it SHOULD be. ie- closer to ANY other DPS (BRD included). I just put a BRD to shame in a dungeon. It means he was terrible at his job. It doesn't mean MCN is "just fine the way it is" as some people are trying argue.
2) There will be no proof until we have higher level raids. We have plenty of evidence now. We have countless parses, some by good players and some by bad players, all showing that MCN is the undisputed low man on the totem pole by a good margin.
3) Our buff is Hypercharge. It gives our turret's auto attacks an added effect that applies to any target it hits. The Rook (our single target turret) gives a debuff to the mob that makes it take added physical damage for a time. The turret's buff lasts for 15 secs, but it applies a 10 debuff to the target, which refreshes a couple secs per additional hit.
4) Not knowing is understandable. As someone who has cleared T1-13 as a DRG, yes it helped. Almost any buff will. But it never raised our BRD's dps nearly that much.

[Velhart]

*Just because you say that a MCH is doing good damage in a group does not mean it does not need a serious fix to it's DPS issue. Any MCH doing "decent DPS" in comparison to other DPS I can guarantee are struggling and going above and beyond to get those numbers while likely the case they are doing this to keep up with average melee DPS. Again, we are not meant to do the most DPS, but we are certainly not meant to be competing or out DPS'ed by tanks. Tanks....

*With the Gauss Barrel and Wildfire situation. Even though I am disappointed that they were bugs that we could instant cast it, it is the developer's obligation to fix the bug. They cannot just allow a bug to stay in there because the job has a DPS issue currently. At the same time, this means SE needs to get job balances straight before at least Alexander(Savage) hits, or you are looking at an extreme on certain jobs allowed or not allowed in. Some are already taking that extreme in PF.

*The JP complaining and disowning the job is a good thing right now. SE needs a real knock on the head that both BRD and MCH are in a really bad place right now and a mass amount of complaints on a national scale is likely the best way to get them to start fixing and adjusting quickly before Savage hits. That goes for us also, we just need to keep pushing and let them know that things need to change as soon as possible.

[Negotiator]

SE please fix mch and brd soon, before raids! You have the numbers, you have the feed back. Do it! Just Do It!

[SovereignAegis]

I confess I am awestruck that some people actually think machinist is fine as it is.

It is horrendous compared to other DPS and I on my scholar out DPS most (90%) of the machinists I run with.

The absolute annihilation of gauss barrel yesterday prettymuch put the final nail in the coffin for anyone who wanted to use it competitively.

[Velhart]

SE please fix mch and brd soon, before raids! You have the numbers, you have the feed back. Do it! Just Do It!

[Tonkra]

you could say that brd (although he got a new minuet which increased his dps and skill casttime) and MCN shoot instantly on range.. it isnt even close to the damage of a smn.

The pet of SMN does much more damage than that stupid turret pet... and i mean the turret pet is there for nothing but performing one dmg skill.. it cant move.. a tradeoff would be here that it does at least same damage like garuda egi with the auto attack..

which isnt really the case right now.

3) you still didn't answer my Disembowel question. And maybe it has been answered but honestly i don't want to skim through 20 pages.

Is this your damn honesty?! what has the skill of an other class to do with your own class..??
a jobs' balance shouldnt rely on skills of other jobs ROFL.. are you being really serious?

And if it would be so.. "embowl" isnt that much overpowered.. its a 10% pierce debuff for 20 seconds.. WOW..

so if i do 100 dmg/200dmg on a mob i do 110/220 dmg afterwards... wow thats so overpowered.. thank god you enlightened us all how we can play MCH "right" from now on..

And if you compare MCH to summoner... smn has 3 Dots, one more powerful pet.. instant ruinra which does more damage like MCH shots.. and then they have fester with which inflicts around 600-1000 dmg instantly.. and then you say MCH is alright how he is?


Summoner is more or less also an instant damage ranged class.. so why is MCH so damn gimped then?

[Ryuugami]

"BRD and MCN can buff the other DPS in the party."
-Well, sure, but doesn't DRG and WAR do the same thing? BRD gets a penalty for buffing others by lowering their own. MCN can only do it for 15 sec out of 90. DRG keeps theirs up 100% (ideally.) MNK can boost healing effectiveness for the party. NIN can boost damage for the party for a time, as well with Trick Attack:

If you stay on the same target for the duration of Hypercharge, the Magic/Physical Vulnerability Debuff stays up for 25 seconds, because the Hpercharged turret reapplies the 10 second Debuff at the end of the 15 second duration. It's not much better than 15 seconds, but it's something.