My Opinion about the Dark knights need redesigning threads.

[Ipkonfig]

WAR does not out DPS either tank in OT situations, my FC has a plethora of tanks so we run a few as DPS for Bis/Rav Ex. especially since we can keep up with regular DPS and take a hit. Fel Cleave is great, but really only makes up for WARs lack of potency in general.

Tanking wise, in current content, all three tanks seem to be about equal. Rav Ex's Blinding Blade hits hard no matter what CD you use if you are tanking it solo. Granted I don't know why you wouldn't just throw a few of your higher HP DPS in to eat it with the tank when solo tanking seems foolish to let, even a PLD, eat 90% of his HP when it could easily be split 3 ways. Or just bring the second tank since OT DPS is damn near on par with regular DPS.

Monk is the least played DPS class, still (my FC has zero MNK mains), and DRK can reduce INT by 10%, none of the other tanks can do this, every fight so far has magic damage so it's a nice perk. Also Reprisal and Storm's Path stack, so if your DRK is MTing you're getting 20% damage reduction when Reprisal is up. If you want to view it over the whole fight, taking into consideration up-time, it's 16.7% raid wide damage reduction.

I'm working on getting WAR leveled to have both DRK/WAR for content, and I like both classes, but really the differences between them are smaller than the forums make them to be.

[Lionheart401]

The blind that doesn't apply to many bosses and "Blood Price" which does not give you back enough mana against a single target and is mostly useful only when dealing with trash mobs.

its true the evasion may not work on your next hit but its good overtime. Parry is RNG. Paladin's block is RNG and we see how good those are. it has to be somewhat low because its a 100% block amount. blood price still works good on bosses. i get bigger chunks back at a time on bosses maybe because blood price scales with the attack. you should be spamming souleater on bosses and using your dark arts for the dark buffs when available. occasionally using it on your enmity combo if people are catching up. you wont run out of mp that way. your suppose to help the healer work less hard on healing you. blood price when available and spamming the syphon strike combos with buffs in between should mean you dont run out of mp.

[TheCount]

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Yes you don't need to tell me that, I know how to tank. Fact remains that nobody is agreeing with you so far and that more than just the english forums are complaining, i'm well aware that doesn't per sé mean that doesn't automatically make it right but obviously the arguments have been had time and again and there are indeed some things that simply make DRK worse than other tanks. For one that damage debuff I mentioned that they are utterly unable to keep going, a very bad thing when other tanks can do that just fine. Healing is not a good way of migitation either for tanks, because there is the overhealing issue that makes it useless. It WOULD be more useful if it gave you some kind of aborbing of damage if you happen to go over 100% health when doing it.

Like others have said, Dark Knights can't deal with tank busters very well right now.

[Lionheart401]

You're presenting your own speculation based on your limited experience as if it were fact, at this point. This is no longer a thread about your opinion, but why you insist that DRK is fine the way it is.

It isn't. People are grossly exaggerating how far behind other tanks it is, but the fact remains right now that if you..

you will feel obligated to play those cause you have experience with those classes. dark knight is still new. its true we havent seen a dark knight handle a raid yet.
so we can find out later if dark knights are up to snuff. you said im basing my speculations on limited experience but isnt everyone basing their speculations on limited experience right now. its not fair to look at it as the grass is greener on the otherside. there are thing i would like paladins and warriors to do that darks can do too. i played with all three.

[Lionheart401]

The only thing iI would like to see changed is that int debuff taken off and replaced with a buff to yourself that mitigates damage by 5 or 10%. Or whatever would be balanced.

most reasonable answer i've seen so far lol

[Lionheart401]

WAR does not out DPS either tank in OT situations, my FC has a plethora of tanks so we run a few as DPS for Bis/Rav Ex. especially since we can keep up with regular DPS and take a hit. Fel Cleave is great, but really only makes up for WARs lack of potency in general.

Tanking wise, in current content, all three tanks seem to be about equal. Rav Ex's Blinding Light hits hard no matter what CD you use if you are tanking it solo...

Yes to every response. you understand! This guy knows tanking. everyone take a lesson from Ipkonfig.

[TheCount]

Yes to every response. you understand! This guy knows tanking. everyone take a lesson from Ipkonfig.

Why do you assume people don't know their tanking just because they say Dark Knight has some issues that could use adjusting? This entire thread is silly

[Ditto]

Can you please link me to these insane WAR dps parses (or vids) that everyone seems to be talking about? I have seen DRK at 900+, but nothing for WAR yet.

A good War will pull more than a Drk, not by a lot, but it's definitely not an insane amount.

That is, for the duration of a Drk's TP. A War will never run out of TP, or at least not very fast, if at all. A Drk will burn their TP less than halfway into the fight if they have 0 downtime between skills, and they have absolutely no way to recover their TP.

TP is the main problem. Outside of TP issues, War pulls ahead by a bit still, but nothing 'insane'.

dark arts with the enmity combo drowns out everyone else's hate.
if those other tanks are playing properly, they would have their tank stance off and not be as big of a threat as the dark is.
dark arts is so clutch and its always ready for you.
if other tanks are giving you hate problem dark arts and enmity combo.
paladin mitigate. warriors compensate and drks mit/comp/evade.
have you tried dark arts passenger followed with dark arts dark dance? evasion is nice.

Well congrats, you just ran out of MP and lost Darkside faster than you can say MP.

WAR does not out DPS either tank in OT situations, my FC has a plethora of tanks so we run a few as DPS for Bis/Rav Ex. especially since we can keep up with regular DPS and take a hit. Fel Cleave is great, but really only makes up for WARs lack of potency in general.

Tanking wise, in current content, all three tanks seem to be about equal. Rav Ex's Blinding Blade hits hard no matter what CD you use if you are tanking it solo. Granted I don't know why you wouldn't just throw a few of your higher HP DPS in to eat it with the tank when solo tanking seems foolish to let, even a PLD, eat 90% of his HP when it could easily be split 3 ways. Or just bring the second tank since OT DPS is damn near on par with regular DPS.

Monk is the least played DPS class, still (my FC has zero MNK mains), and DRK can reduce INT by 10%, none of the other tanks can do this, every fight so far has magic damage so it's a nice perk. Also Reprisal and Storm's Path stack, so if your DRK is MTing you're getting 20% damage reduction when Reprisal is up. If you want to view it over the whole fight, taking into consideration up-time, it's 16.7% raid wide damage reduction.

I'm working on getting WAR leveled to have both DRK/WAR for content, and I like both classes, but really the differences between them are smaller than the forums make them to be.

The only magic damage in Ravana EX (As fara s I know) are the hadoukens, and the split damage AOE after pillars of heaven. None of which do any bit threatening damage.

All the damage that matters is physical. Also, Dragons Kick > Delirium. Half the time I cant even put Delirioum on Ravan for some reason, and we don't have a Monk.

Also, Wars out DPS Drk's in OT situations ESPECIALLY, simply due to TP. Equilibrium keeps a Wars TP afloat. Drk burns their TP in literally 3 Blood Weapons if they have constant uptime.

[Ipkonfig]

Like others have said, Dark Knights can't deal with tank busters very well right now.

What tank busters are we talking about?? Blinding Blade? Tapasya? Blinding Blade is MEANT to be split, and Tapasya only the first part should hit the second part is avoidable. Unless we're going back to old content, which I haven't tried, but really, why would I want to go back to that? Already beat it, move on.

[Ditto]

What tank busters are we talking about?? Blinding Blade? Tapasya? Blinding Blade is MEANT to be split, and Tapasya only the first part should hit the second part is avoidable. Unless we're going back to old content, which I haven't tried, but really, why would I want to go back to that? Already beat it, move on.

Tapasya isn't a tank buster.

Blinding Blade is only a tank buster in terms of damage when it's solo tanked.

A Drk cannot keep up in mitigating solo blinding blades.
A Pld can.
A War can.

Old content is the only thing people have to base things on. That, and common sense.

If a physical tank buster is anything shorter than 50 seconds or so apart, a Drk simply wont be able to do it. A War, and a Paladin however can.