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  1. #491
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    jars's Avatar
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    what should we expect an ast to do then. cause right now they don't really do anything
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    Akio Shikimazu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krixus View Post
    Regen bug? Is it only on drk? I dont know what this means cause my regens work like they should.
    It appears that regen effects (tested with Regen, Whispering Dawn and Aspected Diurnal Benefic) drain DRK mp a lot faster than it should when he has Darkside on.
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  3. #493
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    Reimu Hakurei
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    Quote Originally Posted by jars View Post
    what should we expect an ast to do then. cause right now they don't really do anything
    I am afraid it is not up to me to establish that.

    What's obvious is that many Astrologians believe that they should be able to switch between WHM and SCH on a whim. This is a notion that no one with common sense would even consider remotely possible, and for good reason.
    AST pays its verstatility and random buffs with a lack of specialization in raw healing / shields. It is the only way to ensure that WHM and SCH are still viable.

    While some spells might need some reworking (Celestial Opposition for one), this is a problem that also plagues other healers (Dissipation for SCH, another level 60 skill, is pretty much retarded as well).

    Also, your statement of "they really don't do anything" is rather inaccurate. Without my AST partner I would not be able to heal Ravana EX.
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    Last edited by Remilia_Nightfall; 06-29-2015 at 12:13 AM.

  4. #494
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    sure you would, the DF would stick another healer in your group and it would be fine because they're probably not an ast

    saying you can't buff ast because whm/sch would not be viable when ast itself is not viable is quite hypocritical
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  5. #495
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    Quote Originally Posted by jars View Post
    sure you would, the DF would stick another healer in your group and it would be fine because they're probably not an ast

    saying you can't buff ast because whm/sch would not be viable when ast itself is not viable is quite hypocritical
    I am not following you.

    I stated that I don't believe AST to be useless as you say, because without an AST I would not be able to heal Ravana EX alone. This means that AST is not useless, otherwise I would not be able to heal it even with an AST.

    This also makes it viable by definition.
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  6. #496
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    i'm fine with the lower healing throughput..i'd even be fine with the lack of emergency skills and subpar mana regen but something needs to be done with the cards. they really do not contribute anything worthwhile with the long cd and rng.
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  7. #497
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumanjilover89 View Post
    i'm fine with the lower healing throughput..i'd even be fine with the lack of emergency skills and subpar mana regen but something needs to be done with the cards. they really do not contribute anything worthwhile with the long cd and rng.
    I can get behind that. Revamping the cards is something that would still maintain its identity, so I hope that if SE decides to revisit AST, it will be in this sense.
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  8. #498
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    Lilita Lita
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall View Post
    I am sorry, but you cannot expect AST to healbomb as much as WHM or shield/DPS as properly as a SCH. Pray that it never happens, or AST will be the only healer job around.
    Okay so you are saying both other healers are better than ast? Why even play it then? What is it that it brings to the table compared to SCH WHM composition? I wasn't expecting bombing heals like you said, but I expected that with my gear, I can heal known fight without so much stress and fear that people will die.

    I can get behind that. Revamping the cards is something that would still maintain its identity, so I hope that if SE decides to revisit AST, it will be in this sense.
    I completely agree. I feel like ast is fun to play, btw i love how our lb3 looks, but the feeling of being kinda useless in fights is getting to me.
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    Last edited by Lilita; 06-29-2015 at 01:08 AM.

  9. #499
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilita View Post
    Okay so you are saying both other healers are better than ast?
    I never said that in absolute terms.

    It depends what you mean by "better". Every healer has its own area of specialization. In the case of AST, it is better than SCH at healbombing and better than WHM at shielding (and possibly DPSing due to its two not-accuracy-bound DoTs). It also brings, albeit potentially, very useful buffs that can make or break an encounter if used at the right time. It is true that the buffs are random, but if they weren't, I am sure you understand that they would make encounters much, much easier more consistently - which is not what SE wants, most likely.

    Buffing cards is also something that needs to be fine-tuned. You can't justify buffing them too much just because they are "RNG based" - for obvious reasons.

    In the end I believe it is too early to decide whether AST is subpar or not. Alexander Savage will be the testing ground, not Ravana EX. As I see things now, AST is viable - but of course I might change my mind in the future.
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    Last edited by Remilia_Nightfall; 06-29-2015 at 01:30 AM.

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    Taban Highwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilita View Post
    Okay so you are saying both other healers are better than ast? Why even play it then? What is it that it brings to the table compared to SCH WHM composition? I wasn't expecting bombing heals like you said, but I expected that with my gear, I can heal known fight without so much stress and fear that people will die.
    Welcome to being the bard of healers
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