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  1. #161
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    I want all the people who think gating the entirety of an expansion behind all of ARR's Main Quest to think about how it's going to be for people in 4.0. Are they going to have to complete all of ARR/HW just to play it? That's a really damned high wall to experience new content.

    The lore reason for gating the expansion needs to stop. Why? Ishgard was opened for the Warrior of Light and his/her allies. Not for every adventurer in Eorzea to waltz through the gates. Yet, I see a crapton of adventurers running around the new areas. Gameplay trumps lore in this instance, stop using lore as an excuse to justify such a bad business move.

    Speaking of business, an expansion for an MMO is made for all of 3 reasons:

    1- To give current players new content to sink there teeth into, so they'll keep paying that subscription fee.

    2- To entice former players with the promise of new jobs/areas/etc to return to the game, and thus renew that subscription fee.

    3- To entice new players to give the game a shot, with new jobs/areas/etc and yep, pay that subscription fee.

    Gating access to the entirety of the expansion behind the completion of the main quest blocks 2 of the 3 reasons the content was made for. That's bad business. Period.

    Gating parts of the expansion behindthe main quest, raids/dungeons is fine, but ALL of it? No, that's just asinine.
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  2. #162
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayanno View Post
    I want all the people who think gating the entirety of an expansion behind all of ARR's Main Quest to think about how it's going to be for people in 4.0. Are they going to have to complete all of ARR/HW just to play it? That's a really damned high wall to experience new content.

    The lore reason for gating the expansion needs to stop. Why? Ishgard was opened for the Warrior of Light and his/her allies. Not for every adventurer in Eorzea to waltz through the gates. Yet, I see a crapton of adventurers running around the new areas. Gameplay trumps lore in this instance, stop using lore as an excuse to justify such a bad business move.

    Speaking of business, an expansion for an MMO is made for all of 3 reasons:

    1- To give current players new content to sink there teeth into, so they'll keep paying that subscription fee.

    2- To entice former players with the promise of new jobs/areas/etc to return to the game, and thus renew that subscription fee.
    Which makes sens for them to revisit ARR when 4.0 comes out. Remove the gate/lessen the time it takes to aquire for ARR to HW but now have the gate set at 3.X to 4.0. Move the goal posts. Kinda like they have been doing all along with the rest of their content. Right now, it's fine. Down the road, it will be revisited.

    And how is it bad for buisness to put something that players want behind at least a months worth of content. Is the MSQ really that hard?
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  3. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayanno View Post
    3- To entice new players to give the game a shot, with new jobs/areas/etc and yep, pay that subscription fee.
    Everything in the game is new content to a new player. Literally everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by MageBlack View Post
    Is the MSQ really that hard?
    Steps of Faith. /s
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    Last edited by AdamFyi; 06-27-2015 at 06:47 AM. Reason: condensed the post~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuathaa View Post
    WoW has no story line or main story line mmkay. Being a player since vanilla I can tell it has way more lore and in depth story than FF has. WoD is, and the direction the game went is the only reason I am playing ffxiv.
    WoW has 10 years of content behind it, AND YET another 10 years on top of that due to the Warcraft RTS games behind it. Of course it has more lore.

    It's like stating England has more history than the US.

    Regarding WoW having more depth than 14. This is a matter of perception. I believe it to be the other way around.
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  5. #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayanno View Post
    I want all the people who think gating the entirety of an expansion behind all of ARR's Main Quest to think about how it's going to be for people in 4.0. Are they going to have to complete all of ARR/HW just to play it? That's a really damned high wall to experience..
    I had the same thought. I don't think HW and 4.0 will require all of 2.0 to do. It's just that storyline wise 3.0 is a direct sequel to 2.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyuuen View Post
    WoW has 10 years of content behind it, AND YET another 10 years on top of that due to the Warcraft RTS games behind it. Of course it has more lore.

    It's like stating England has more history than the US.

    Regarding WoW having more depth than 14. This is a matter of perception. I believe it to be the other way around.
    Yes it does which is why if had read the post I quoted you would realize I was correcting the posters statement about it not having any.
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  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    Steps of Faith. /s
    Has already had a huge nerf. My 9yo son beat it without me even at home to help him out. More nerfs will come to 2.X content as time goes on. I thought MMO junkies would understand that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MageBlack View Post
    Has already had a huge nerf. My 9yo son beat it without me even at home to help him out. More nerfs will come to 2.X content as time goes on. I thought MMO junkies would understand that?
    Sarcasm; did you not see the /s?
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  9. #169
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    Sarcasm; did you not see the /s?
    Lol, i was wondering what that /s meant. lol anyway, the last part of my post was more directed to all these people posting here who moan and wail about things in this game as though they will NEVER change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuathaa View Post
    Yes it does which is why if had read the post I quoted you would realize I was correcting the posters statement about it not having any.
    Apologies, took it the wrong way. ^^
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