A serious discussion about abridging the story quest 1-50 (discouraging new players)

[Luvbunny]

While true the MMORPH side of the coin is much bigger then the MSQ side. You can not advertise this game as a JRPG when it is an MMORPG in the first place, as it would not be correct advertising. This is not a regular Final Fantasy game. This is an MMORPG in a final fantasy themed Virtual World!

I do not quite get this... would you rather level your alts without doing MSQ, and instead having to run around doing mindless FATE, levequest, hunting log, and many more fetch quest - just like how WoW is set up? The MSQ is your main source bread and butter to get to 50 FAST ASAP, straight as an arrow, and you can mix it up with everything else to get there even faster now.

The MSQ 2.1-2.55 is a big of a let down to go through, I agree. It was great when you do it between each patches, but to go through all of them now at once can be somewhat annoying. But think of it this way, you want to do it anyway, because you want to see the rest of the dungeons they added in 2.1-2.55, as well as you want to get those 120 gears (which is far better than the crappy starting 115 gears) and last you at least till level 54 - if you upgrade them to 130, it will last you till level 56.

What they should have done is to let everyone with expansion access Ishgard if you complete the main story vanilla 2.0, but gate everything else outside Ishgard. So that all players at 50 (and finished with MSQ 2.0) can try the new jobs - and make the journey through 2.0 suddenly exciting again, at the same time enticing them to finish the rest of MSQ in between leveling the new jobs.

Although in all fairness, they have already given out all the information about Heavenward since March 2015, giving everyone ample time to come back for a month, finishing all MSQ and getting ready for the expansion. It's not like we are never being told that the expansion is gated behind 2.0. They are nice enough to let us start at 30 with the new jobs instead of having us to do it from level 1....

[Madjames]

I leveled from 30-50 doing fates because they were fun and I was at the same time getting flame seals for my GC. I was still in level 30 items when I hit 50 only to realize I had to do the MSQ. So I did the MSQ up to and including my magitek armor and vowed never to do it again.

I found out about the gated expac in the tail end of may having joined the game and started over completely on another server in march and leveled. So at the very end of may, and beginning of june I had to slog through over 40 hours of MSQ crap just to get to play with my friends in the expansion. Saddly, 20 hours of that was during EA. Between being an RN and having twin boys IRL, I did not have enough time to get it completed before the EA Started.

So to answer your question, yes, I would have liked the choice to level how I want to level and not be stuck on some rail story that has no barring on my character at all. As I said, I write books based on my characters in MMORPGS, I make their story's. Whatever SE comes up with is disregarded by me because my character is mine and I make his story, his personality, and decide what he would, or would not do in this virtual world, not SE.

S.E needs to trim the MSQ a bunch and give us the choice how to level, OR leave this decision up to us completely and leave this MSQ crap optional. For those that like it, it would be there for them, the story huggers. For those such as myself, we would level how we want.

This would make leveling a new character much more friendly and leave the story for those who are into that sort of rail story thing. People would not get pissed and leave the game due to this gating issue and more and more players would come to this game, it would grow and be good for everyone.

[Exotik_Legacy]

What they should have done is to let everyone with expansion access Ishgard if you complete the main story vanilla 2.0, but gate everything else outside Ishgard. So that all players at 50 (and finished with MSQ 2.0) can try the new jobs - and make the journey through 2.0 suddenly exciting again, at the same time enticing them to finish the rest of MSQ in between leveling the new jobs.

Why can they not allow us to enter ishgard at 50 to receive the new classes, without having to do MSQ 2.1-2.55 because it is all fluff of things to do mixed in with a couple relevant quest for patches to keep lv 50's busy until HS dropped, The new classes should have the pre-req of level 50 in a job, not level 50 + 20 or more hours of so called story quests/fluff quests.

[Felis]

Why can they not allow us to enter ishgard at 50 to receive the new classes, without having to do MSQ 2.1-2.55 because it is all fluff of things to do mixed in with a couple relevant quest for patches to keep lv 50's busy until HS dropped, The new classes should have the pre-req of level 50 in a job, not level 50 + 20 or more hours of so called story quests/fluff quests.

What reason would the Count Fortemps have to trust strangers and even allow them to enter Ishgard as his guests? Sure, they saved a friend of one of his sons, but will this be good enough?

The doors of Ishgard are closed for strangers since the battle over the Silvertear Lake. There have to be a reason why our characters are allowed to enter it and at the end of Ultima battle a reason for it still don't exist.

[Madjames]

What reason would the Count Fortemps have to trust strangers and even allow them to enter Ishgard as his guests? Sure, they saved a friend of one of his sons, but will this be good enough?

The doors of Ishgard are closed for strangers since the battle over the Silvertear Lake. There have to be a reason why our characters are allowed to enter it and at the end of Ultima battle a reason for it still don't exist.

Simple, in that trailer there was a massive army of dragons. Meaning that where they come from, something must have sent them, something that very well could be a danger to the whole world, not just one or two countries. My character would join with the ishgard people and be able to fight. Any country when attacked with a huge sizable force has always asked for help by neighboring countries when they knew they couldn't fend off said threat. It happened in WW2 and WW1. I do not see why this would not have happened or wont happen in Ishgard. Or you know, my character could just sneak in kinda like what happens on the boarders of mexico or Tibet.

OR Thee new job trainers could flee ishgard and I don't know, come to dragonhead to get away from the conflict and teach people their ways as to assure that their teachings live on. Its always the simple explanations that matter the most and I see no reason why any normal person could not think this way. This could have been a good gilsink. Pay 50k gil, learn the new job as the job trainers could leave for more money elsewhere. There are a number of different reasons or explanations as to why we could enter Ishgard without doing the MSQ or getting the new jobs without doing the MSQ.

[Felis]

Simple, in that trailer there was a massive army of dragons. Meaning that where they come from, something must have sent them. My character would join with the ishgard people and be able to fight. Any country when attacked with a huge sizable force has always asked for help by neighboring countries when they knew they couldn't fend off said threat. It happened in WW2 and WW1. I do not see why this would not have happened or wont happen in Ishgard. Or you know, my character could just sneak in kinda like what happens on the boarders of mexico or Tibet .

Ishgardians would still tell to you : "There is nothing to see. This is our war. Now go!"

Only after you saved them twice with defeating Shiva and defending the Steps of Faith they start to trust you enough.

[Madjames]

Ishgardians would still tell to you : "There is nothing to see. This is our war. Now go!"

Only after you saved them twice with defeating Shiva and defending the Steps of Faith they start to trust you enough.

That does not matter anymore when someone or some thing threatens the entire world. They could say sorry go away all they want just like some countries could say it here. The elves KNEW they couldn't defeat mordor on their own so Elrond told Gandalf, so they also sided with the humans which they hated and did not trust.


The same thing could happen here and I guarantee you that it will. It also happened in mists of panderia in Wow. As well as SWTOR and countless other games and movies and books where two factions/countries who did not particularly like each other HAD to band together for the same goal of destroying something that involved something greater then just their own faction/country but the entire world. This also happened IRL with two World Wars. Ishgard can say no as much as they want but in the end, it is not fair to allow the world to defend its self and we would eventually be let in to deal with this life threatening situation by joining the Ishard people anyway. There is NO REASON why this can not happened. Lore and the story can be changed to fix this in more then just this way.

You are picking at straws here to try and justify the grueling and daunting MSQ bullcrap that should not be forced upon us players who do not care for it at all. My reasons for playing are not for the story and I should be able to level and play without such a huge timesink ON TOP of leveling a character to 50.

[Felis]

That does not matter anymore when someone or some thing threatens the entire world. They could say sorry go away all they want just like some countries could say it here. The elves KNEW they couldn't defeat mordor on their own so Elrond told Gandalf, so they also sided with the humans which they hated and did not trust.

As Nael dropped Dalamud over Eorzea the Ishgardians still said "Not our problem. We are busy enough with dragons. Don't disturb us"

[Luvbunny]

You are picking at straws here to try and justify the grueling and daunting MSQ bullcrap that should not be forced upon us players who do not care for it at all. My reasons for playing are not for the story and I should be able to level and play without such a huge timesink ON TOP of leveling a character to 50.

Why are you playing this game then? It is a huge timesink regardless. Wether doing MSQ to level up your character, which is a huge timesink, especially if you are planning to do alts. Or doing endgame dungeons grind, which is in itself is also a huge timesink. This is NOT a game to be finished in 4 days so you can be done with it. It is one to be savored, played leisurely, and just take a deep breath, explore, get lost in the world and lore, and obviously becoming a slave to these dumb NPCs who cannot save themselves from anything and everything...