this game is NOT friendly for those who return after long absence

[Dererk]

Here's what's going on sadly that people keep complaining about.

Hey guys.

What?

I just got a new game.

Which one?

Pokemon Y.

Dude that thing has been out for ever...

Well its new to me since IV never played it.

That's the reality people if you never done it its new.

[Pulsahr]

Before I left, I was enjoying everything in the game, crafting, gathering, exping, even grinding some dungeons (to a certain point, I'm not hardcore gamer).

So, when HW came, I looked for the new craft and gathering points. Not surprised, it is in the new zones. Ok, I get it, I'll catch up the story to gain access to Ishgard.
Which I did. Ok now I'm in Ishgard, how d I get outside ?

MOAR story !

Ok ok, let's push it a little forward. Great, I now have acces to new zones and I can start to gather and craft. But it's a pain in the *** to travel in these zones without flying mount. Some parts are even impossible to access without flying mount, and some areas are impossible to access without flying mount ! Ok I get it.

MOAR story !
(1/3)

[Pulsahr]

Great, I have my flying mount, dammit I'm already half way through main story. Now, how do I fly ? Ok, current thing, ok. I need to get all of them in an area to fly ? Ok ok ok, let's keep walking on earth for a while then. WAT ? I need to progress through main story AGAIN ?

That's enough, I quit.



Main story is the part I enjoy the most since the beginning. I liked to craft my gear, in order to be able to progress in main story, not the contrary !

(2/3)

[Pulsahr]

This design "everything is locked behind main story" is good for hardcore players who wants to "get rid of the cutscene BS" to go grind uber stuff (that's exagarated I know, but you get the idea).

I'm not this kind of guy ! I'm not here to play a grind game, I don't want to rush story to be able to do everything else !
I'm here to enjoy a great story, and gather, and craft, and prepare myself at my own pace.
But I can't. I need to rush the MS to access everything else.

That's not cool. That's not entertaing for me when I'm forced to do what I love the most to be able to do other things.
It's like being forced to eat my favorite dessert before I even start the full dinner.

You lost a player SE, goodbye.

(3/3)

[Tamlin]

This design "everything is locked behind main story" is good for hardcore players who wants to "get rid of the cutscene BS" to go grind uber stuff (that's exagarated I know, but you get the idea).

I'm not this kind of guy ! I'm not here to play a grind game, I don't want to rush story to be able to do everything else !
I'm here to enjoy a great story, and gather, and craft, and prepare myself at my own pace.
But I can't. I need to rush the MS to access everything else.

That's not cool. That's not entertaing for me when I'm forced to do what I love the most to be able to do other things.
It's like being forced to eat my favorite dessert before I even start the full dinner.

You lost a player SE, goodbye.

(3/3)

You say you don't want to play a grind game? IMO, the oposite of that would be a story-driven game, which is what FFXIV is.
Not wanting to grind, but complain that you have to go through the MSQ to be able to grind the new gathering points...

I can understand that people don't like the gates that MSQ is. On the other hand: If I entered HW areas without having the prior MSQ completed, or came to a new area within HW-areas without the pre-req's, I would have felt somewhat confused I think, as the story then wouldn't have made sense at all.

When it comes to be able to craft gear to be able to process through the story: The materials needed for crafting up to lvl 52-53 is from the first area you get to in HW, which only requires you to get out of Ishgard in the first place. After that, you can gather the lvl 50 nodes for mats needed for 50-52 gear. As soon as you get 51 BTN and MIN, you unlock the 55 nodes which gives you mats to craft even more. Then when you unlock churning mists and get flying there, you get the last remainig mats to craft gear up to lvl 56-57 (iirc). So basically you can get your crafts and gathering classes up to lvl 55+ (heck, even up to 60 if you don't mind grinding exp on mats that gives less exp when you advance). And if you only keep to the MSQ, you will have unlocked the areas for the mats needed for higher crafts as you're reaching that lvl in the first place.

So there's a reason behind it, and I think all the gates are perfectly placed, but it still gives you decent enough freedom without turning the game into a sandbox-game.

[Pulsahr]

You forgot that I don't want to rush the story.
And "flying there" means being forced to progress in story, which I wanted to save for later because it's my favorite part and keeps me playing the game.
I don't mind grind a little, as I said in my first three-part-post, but I like more to be self sufficient considering leveling gear. And for that, I have to gather (and grind a few ingredients, that's ok, that's a few). But western coerthas is terrible to travel through without flying : very annoying, lots of detour, can't acess some spots without going back half the map to climp up there.
That was meant for flying mounts. I'm okay with that. I'm not okay that I it is locked by main story.

I wanted to take my time to enjoy the story, like let's do a quest once in a while, let's save them for when I want to have an awesome moment. But that's impossible.
I already cleared half the story just to have my ether compass, and it's useless unless I go further. That's a problem for me.

[HodgepodgeMcDodge]

Also to those of you that are insane enough to think that just because they said it it's okay, just because you were warned someone is planning to shoot you in the foot makes it okay then, I guess, right?

While I'm not really getting involved in this argument (cause it's asinine), I feel compelled to point out something:

If you were warned that someone was going to shoot you in the foot, and you stood there and let them shoot you in the foot, then you're an idiot who deserves to get shot in the foot.

Take that for what you will.

[Nico_Of_Awesome]

I came back for one job, none of the 2.0 jobs held any interest to me (and ultimately why I quit, yes aesthetics are that important to me.. shut up..). I wanted my FF11 job back. The Dark Knight, now I have to finish the damn story then go backwards to play the job I want. The jobs should not have been tied to completing the full first story. Not happy about this.

[kani29]

Honestly, anyone arguing FOR this system is insane. I doubt any of you that are in agreement with this actually went through it. There is absolutely nothing enjoyable about dredging through 120+ story quests for little to no reward before you can continue to play the game.

I agree with everything, this system is pure BS, a lot of people don't play MMOs for the story, but for enjoying group play, craft, raids etc...What they are doing is basically alienating these players. As you said it's pretty hard to enjoy this story quests, 80% of it is just useless BS and the rest you can just watch later, I haven't recommended this game for any of my friends since I got to know about this system and some of them that bought the game anyway are totally not enjoying the useless grind.

[LunarEmerald]

Those older quests now give myth and solidery gear and weapons. They're the best way to gear up for the expansion if you're behind. You're dead weight in the expansion if all your pieces of gear aren't least i100.