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  1. #11
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    Faytte's Avatar
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    Sol Darkwater
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    Lamia
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    Miner Lv 60
    Clemency is without outside buffs, healing for the same as equilibrium (fact--there are posts and pics of it hitting around 2.7K at level 58 and scaling off strength and weapon damage). You can cast it twice without any pause (also a fact) and you recover enough mana to cast it again after 1 sheltron and riot blade combo. If you look at your math before, half was from one ability, which is something a paladin can spam in a jiff, and something that is effected by cova (which paladins have a better version of. There is no defensive cd warriors have an improved version of that matters, given foresight is a joke). If you think IB heals mean anything in raiding, then I laugh at you--IB is used strictly for its 20% debuff before a tank buster (you should be topped off before that). It honestly sounds like you are speaking from dungeon experience, which means nothing in raiding.
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    Saerin Zei
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 60
    PLD has more defenses and we are the DPS tank, always have been. I don't see the problem there.

    DRK is below the two, however.
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  3. #13
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    Sol Darkwater
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    Lamia
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    Miner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Asierid View Post
    PLD has more defenses and we are the DPS tank, always have been. I don't see the problem there.

    DRK is below the two, however.
    Its laughable. Gets a 1 minute gcd heal and ignores paladins can cast that more or less at will...AND on party members (while gaining half that heal back themselves). Paladin is incredible versatile now. You could argue a warrior heals better in a quick burst cause everything is off gcd, but beyond that? Nope.
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    Ayanno Kannagi
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    Siren
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Obvious troll is obvious. Please stop feeding it.
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    Tila Beauguerre
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    Mateus
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Faytte View Post
    Its laughable. Gets a 1 minute gcd heal and ignores paladins can cast that more or less at will...AND on party members (while gaining half that heal back themselves). Paladin is incredible versatile now. You could argue a warrior heals better in a quick burst cause everything is off gcd, but beyond that? Nope.
    And even then, self healing is pretty much the lowest form of mitigation for tanks. Even if WAR is best at it (which is highly debatable), it doesn't mean all that much.
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  6. #16
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    Kinako Kuromitsu
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    Tonberry
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    Fisher Lv 70
    DRK can heal for 400 potency every 3rd GCD. Not as good as Clemency, but better than WAR's heal.
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  7. #17
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    DRK can heal for 400 potency every 3rd GCD. Not as good as Clemency, but better than WAR's heal.
    Its way better to absorb the damage completely then to heal for 10% of it.
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  8. #18
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    Kinako Kuromitsu
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    Tonberry
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    Fisher Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Its way better to absorb the damage completely then to heal for 10% of it.
    Equilibrium doesn't absorb damage.

    If you're talking in General, DRK has plenty of defensive options.
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    Adol Giantbane
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan94 View Post
    DRK can heal for 400 potency every 3rd GCD. Not as good as Clemency, but better than WAR's heal.
    There's no way DRK with Grit active has enough mana to dark arts every single soul eater unless we're talking AoE tanking with blood price active. In which case you should probably not be doing soul eater at all.
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  10. #20
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    Kinako Kuromitsu
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    Tonberry
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    Fisher Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Giantbane View Post
    There's no way DRK with Grit active has enough mana to dark arts every single soul eater.
    That's true. But you can still do the equivalent of Equilibrium in 7.5 seconds and rebuild your MP within a few more GCDs and do it again. Or you can settle for the 260 potency heal for free. Like I said, not as good as Clemency, but better than Equilibrium. I'm not saying that self heal makes DRKs great tanks (though it helps), I'm just refuting the OP's claim that WAR's have "incredible self healing" when both PLD and DRK are better.
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