Is it me, or is DRK really isn't that super great, nor super bad.

[Hypie]

It was originally intended in response to DRK's apparent inability to deal with auto attacks.

Even with evidence the masses still don't buy it. I love that "I'm not really buying the 20% evasion" like it just disappears depending on what you are fighting? Dark Arts has a 5s CD so you aren't wasting it at all, and you can evade boss auto attacks.

I find it interesting that it's still believed WARs will be top DPS while tanking still. Oh well!

I have seen some Lvl 55 WAR's. They do SHITLOADS of DMG now. Combine that with their new Command Fel Cleave, which only needs 5 Stack of Abandon, has no Cooldown with a 500 Potency against our 60 Sec 450 Potency Skill....I love DRK and i will continue playing him but now on 56 i can slowly feel how much DRK lacks.

I don't think we should be niche Tanks only "useful" in Magical Fights (funny most boss fights do shitloads of magic dmg) and im sure we have the potential to be a really addition to PDL and WAR.

For now im pretty calm and have Faith in SE that they will fix the Problems. We are a new Job, Buffs/Nerfs are expected to be happen.

But still im warming up my Endurance for a WAR Grind through Heavensward...will be really really ugly...

[ShaolinMike]

I have seen some Lvl 55 WAR's. They do SHITLOADS of DMG now. Combine that with their new Command Fel Cleave, which only needs 5 Stack of Abandon, has no Cooldown with a 500 Potency against our 60 Sec 450 Potency Skill...

Soul Eater with Dark Arts is 400 potency and also has no cooldown. I'm good with that.

[Hypie]

Soul Eater with Dark Arts is 400 potency and also has no cooldown. I'm good with that.

Thats true BUT Dark Arts costs 1094 Mana on Level 56. Fel Cleave only costs 5 Stacks Abandon, which will be build up only doing the Standard DPS Rotation. While we can use DA SoulEater more than once the downtime when we are oom are way bigger than the downtime of the missed Stacks from Abandon.

The Warriors are the clear Winner in this Fight sorry o,o

[ShaolinMike]

Thats true BUT Dark Arts costs 1094 Mana on Level 56. Fel Cleave only costs 5 Stacks Abandon, which will be build up only doing the Standard DPS Rotation. While we can use DA SoulEater more than once the downtime when we are oom are way bigger than the downtime of the missed Stacks from Abandon.

The Warriors are the clear Winner in this Fight sorry o,o

If you're playing DRK properly (I use that term loosely, as it's only a few days old), mana issues aren't THAT big of a problem.

[Tila]

If you're playing DRK properly (I use that term loosely, as it's only a few days old), mana issues aren't THAT big of a problem.

WAR still has more methods for gaining flat percentage increases to damage. They are far superior to PLD and DRK in terms of damage. Tanking its not that much, OTing they are miles ahead and pretty much are a DPS.

This is especially true when you factor in raw intuition and how it too gives wrath/abandon.

[Hypie]

WAR still has more methods for gaining flat percentage increases to damage. They are far superior to PLD and DRK in terms of damage. Tanking its not that much, OTing they are miles ahead and pretty much are a DPS.

This is especially true when you factor in raw intuition and how it too gives wrath/abandon.

And you can Stance Dance as a MT too if your Raid needs a bit more DPS.

If you're playing DRK properly (I use that term loosely, as it's only a few days old), mana issues aren't THAT big of a problem.

Thats True but per Stack Abandon they gain Crit too. I'm not saying we are bad, they just have that small details that matter much right now at the Start of the Expac.
Later when we have more Ways of attaining Gear and Stuff this could slowly fade away.

[Ipkonfig]

Focusing on MTing a Fight:

Dark Knight Combos/On GCDs:
DA/Souleatter - 266 Avg Potency (spam for burn)
Delirium + Da/Souleatter (rinse repeat for MP sustain) 246 Avg Potency
Scourge - 500 Potency DoT

15% damage increase from Dark Side, all the time.
10% attack speed and MP/hit if you drop Grit for Blood Weapon. But hurts tanking.

6 Off-Global attacks for rotation:
Plunge - 200 potency, 30s CD
Carve and Spit - 450 Potency w/DA and 100 without but gives MP back, 60s CD
Salted Earth - 525 Potency, 45s CD
Dark Passenger - 150 Potency Line AoE, 30s CD
Reprisal - 210 Potency, procs off Parry, 30s CD
Low Blow - 100 Potency (this ability has a 30% chance to reset on every parry), 25s CD

Now Warrior:

Warrior Combos/On GCDs:
All 3 have an Average Potency of ~200
Fracture - 300 Potency

20% damage from Main
5% damage if you go into Deliverance, but you lose Defiance HP boost. (2% crit per stack/2% parry per stack)
Berserk for the 50% AP
Internal Release for another 10% crit.
Unchained to drop tank stance penalty if you stay in Defiance.
(could include the damage reflect on Vengeance)

Off-Globals
Brutal Swing - 50 Potency every 20s
Infuriate - 5 stacks of Wrath/Abandon.

Wrath/Abandon spener.
Fel Cleave - 500 Potency
Inner Beast - 300 Potency 20% damage reduction.

Now assuming the Warrior doesn't care about how much damage he takes he could use all his stacks on Fel Cleave for some nice damage. I would not rate this as "far superior." Fel Cleave is huge burst, but everything else is lagging behind. If they need the damage reduction then it's just 300 potency Inner Beasts. The sheer amount of attacks the Dark Knight has is pretty staggering. On top of that Low Blow has a 30% chance to reset on Parry meaning even more damage while MTing.

[Ooshima]

I have seen some Lvl 55 WAR's. They do SHITLOADS of DMG now.

Yes. WAR tank on the new lvl 60 dungeons make grinding law so much easier. Ran about 2 rounds with some FC makes - WAR SCH BLM BRD, pulling 2 packs every time. Clearing trash was so much faster.

[Tila]

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As was said, MTing there isnt much a difference at the moment. All are about the same, WAR scoots ahead due to being able to stack attack cooldowns, which means a hell of a lot. If it wasn't for mana issues then DRK would be ahead, but DRK cant consistently maintain a high amount of damage, especially since their mana regain moves don't scale all that well up to max levels. The gap only widens if the group doesnt have a ninja or warrior to apply storm path/dancing edge. You also forget that the new warrior skill raw intuition gives abandon/wrath, and therefore, more damage when MT. You also skipped mercy strike. And forgot how the DRK's debuff doesnt apply the blunt resistance debuff like dragon kick, meaning DRK has less raid utility, which is a big deal.

When offtanking, warrior is leagues ahead at that.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Fel Cleave only costs 5 Stacks Abandon. . .

Only 5 stacks lol. All of our moves that consume Wrath/Abandon cost 5 stacks and Fell Cleave (in my experience) isn't always the go to move to consume those stacks (when main tanking). If we use fell cleave we can't use Inner Beast / Unchained until we build the stacks back. Without blowing cooldowns (Berserk, Vengence and the new skill Raw Intuition) it takes 8 GCD's to build 5 stacks. The damage is great but its got its own set of pros and cons.

p.s. in order to use Fell Cleave we have to switch Defiance for Delieverance which reduces our max HP and removes our Healing received buff.