XI-2 was released this past September, or didn't you notice?

[AsterBarnivere]

Some stuff that I was thinking was said

Liked for FFX Auron reference.. <3 Auron (I choose B & C)

[Cendres]

Oh OP you just blew my mind, really the game didn't do well? Are you serious? It's like none of us knew this for the past year.

People get annoyed with most FFXI references because they don't want the headache that XI represented. I don't care what rose colored glasses people have when they think back about that game, but it had some fatal flaws that I personally never want to see again and I'm sure this is a shared sentiment with those who knee jerk whenever XI is typed on this forum.

XI had some basic functionality that desperately needed to be in XIV however there's much that doesn't need to be brought here either. Please understand people's fears about this and stop being so DISMISSIVE yourself.

As for your title there's a flagrant difference numbered FFs and FF-2's. It IS a big deal what that difference is and means. Do YOU understand that? By your wording it seems to me you need to play more Final Fantasies dude and get what people mean when they say no to FFXI-2.

Hint: All FFs are somewhat similar, some even have direct or indirect links to each other (FF7 and FFX, I heard that as a possibility.) But when you get a direct sequel it's the same game, the same world, the same battle system with maybe some tweaks/twists. It's not another imagining of what a FF world would be and what story it would tell. THAT is what we want for FFXIV.

[Irana]

Because chocobos, airships, different story, different characters even though they re exactly the same race with a different name, magics, summons, armors, magitek, eidolons, an empire, 8I can go on) is OBVIOUSLY only from FFXI!

By your standards, I could say ffxiv is a direct sequel to what would happen in a world where kefka was never stopped and magitek evolved without care or control! OR I could say we are on an unknown continent from FF7 where materia is just now being seen and understood!

Granted the races DO look the same but have you seen human evolution? Homo sapiens isnt the same as the previous version even though they share looks.

Lalafell are bigger than tarus and miqotes are not as cat-like in regards to face features.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Because chocobos, airships, different story, different characters even though they re exactly the same race with a different name, magics, summons, armors, magitek, eidolons, an empire, 8I can go on) is OBVIOUSLY only from FFXI!

By your standards, I could say ffxiv is a direct sequel to what would happen in a world where kefka was never stopped and magitek evolved without care or control! OR I could say we are on an unknown continent from FF7 where materia is just now being seen and understood!

Granted the races DO look the same but have you seen human evolution? Homo sapiens isnt the same as the previous version even though they share looks.

Lalafell are bigger than tarus and miqotes are not as cat-like in regards to face features.

You are misunderstanding. I think what people on the other side are saying is to take what worked very well from their last MMO installation and apply it to XIV system wise. The styling is already very similar.

Also, if you're making the argument that the races evolved then they'd have to be on the same planet. Which they are not, so, then why are the same races on another? You need to support your arguments better.

[AsterBarnivere]

Where have you been all my life?

I've been in Limsa, where have YOU been?

[Khal_Drogo]

Very well. By your same standards, FFXIV could potentially be a FFXII-2, since Thanalan is very close to the Dalmasca Estersand and Westersand. Or perhaps a FFX-3, since it is very similar to Bikanel Island deserts. Or how the Black Shroud bears similarities to Kilika forest, therefore, FFXIV should be renamed FFX-3. Oh wait, Balamb fields was next to an ocean as well. Therefore, as La Noscea bears similarities to Balamb fields, FFXIV should be renamed FFVIII. Oh no, Coerthas seems to resemble the Archytle Steppe! Therefore, this should be a FFXIII-3! But wait, Mor Dhona resembles Dream's End mashed with Mushroom Rock, so it's closer to a FFX-3!!!

Thank you SO much for using your extensive background knowledge of FF titles to help ppl recognize how foolish they look when they try to disregard the similarities between XIV and XI. Do you realize you just contradicted yourself completely? Look at how many DIFFERENT FF titles you had to draw from to find similarities between previous FF titles and FFXIV. That is my ENTIRE point. Please, EVERYONE, stop ASSUMING that I think this is, LITERALLY, XI-2. That was a sarcastic remark made in an attempt to rally the ANTI-FFXI ppl into making logical arguments against why SE *shouldn't* draw from FFXI as a base for the new updates. All I ever see from any of you is stuff like this: "This isn't XI-2, it's XIV; why do you keep bringing XI up?" "Go play XI. K, thnx bai." "F$%# XI." Over and over and over again, nothing productive ever comes from "your" side (anti-FFXI ppl). So, why don't you ppl quit being so close-minded, and contribute.

I'm not retarded, nor are the other ppl who bring up the EXTENSIVE commonalities between XI and XIV. Just because you all are in denial, doesn't mean it isn't true. I saw someone say that Roegadyn don't have tails...is that really the best you can come up with? Here, read a post from a less "intense," objective user:

You really give me the impression that you, as do the rest of your anti XI disciples, just read the title of certain threads, and rush in to post the common anti-XI slogan: "Go play XI".

I mean how about, for once, you address the concerns, and actually stay on topic? Have you read the posts?

I, for one, was looking forward to a new battle system with XIV; and I was quite excited about it.
It was only when the numerous "cracks" of the Armoury/Class system began to surface that I found myself needing to raise the issue. I have played most of the FF series' titles, and I did not have a single issue with any one of them; nor had any of them ever failed in the manner that XIV did. Obviously, there are issues with it that SE recognizes, and they are trying to address each of them, patch by patch. So, frankly, it's time to stop making XIV out to be some sort of Eutopia; take off those XIV, rose-tainted spectacles, and give constructive feedback for the future of this game.

I consider myself a loyal fan to SE, but people really need to get out of this white knight mentality where they're willing to let SE dump on their cupcake, and gladly call it icing. I think there is an intrinsic good in FFXIV, and it definitely has potential -otherwise I wouldn't, still be here. However, there is a lot of bad; and it needs to be addressed. Heck, even SE welcomes our bad feedback.

And for the love of all that is holy, stop trolling threads with your unproductive slogan: "Go play XI."

XI is already being copied to a good extent for the benefit and success of this game.

[Cendres]

You know as a rule of thumb to start a thread complaining about a segment of the community is generally a bad idea and destructive rather then constructive to that community. Just wanted to point that out before I step out for good.

Nothing good is really going to come out of this, just more bickering. Lock down is really just a matter of time.

[AJ_Anyia]

You know as a rule of thumb to start a thread complaining about a segment of the community is generally a bad idea and destructive rather then constructive to that community. Just wanted to point that out before I step out for good.

Nothing good is really going to come out of this, just more bickering. Lock down is really just a matter of time.

But won't be soon enough.

[Khal_Drogo]

You know as a rule of thumb to start a thread complaining about a segment of the community is generally a bad idea and destructive rather then constructive to that community.

Well, Cendres, I have to agree with you there. I probably could have handled my frustration in a more "nurturing" way, but it seems to me that the ant-XI ppl are too hostile and dismissive to listen to reason. "Ice and Water didn't work; so, I tried to fight fire with fire."

Whether our posts are cold and calculated, or cool, concise and calm; these ppl will never listen to reason. I made my point, and I'm sure it got across to them -even if they won't admit it. I just pray that SE understands it as well. I really don't care if this thread gets locked down. It will be the fault of ppl on both sides.

Originally posted by "someone"

Ppl who don't think XIV is like XI have poop in their brains, or they're just blind.

It was a "cute" way to state a fact; but it was immature, nonetheless. Guess no one's perfect. Even the XI fans can't help but reduce themselves to the same level as the argument-provoking anti-XI jerks.

[Haji]

but it seems to me that the ant-XI ppl are too hostile and dismissive to listen to reason. "Ice and Water didn't work; so, I tried to fight fire with fire."

No, they just want diffrent things imported from XI then you do. Case in point: me. I generally only played, for prolonged period of time, WoW. In fact I get quite few "get back to WoW" things. Why do I even bother to play FFXIV? Becouse I heared that XI had great strory and great story presentation. I want that for XIV. But at the same time I don't want any of the fake difficulty many old-timers from XI belive to be holy, like the need to party all the time, bad monster placement that makes you "feel the danger", competition to strike bosses first and the need to camp them for several hours, and all that.

In the end, XI is still out there. Anyone who wants to play it, can play it. Me and people like me want XIV to be new experiance.