Raid runs and gear drops

[Velhart]

what are you basing this on? videos you've seen?

as other people have said...fucking make a party of whatever you want and work with it. or rank a more useful class.

people have done it with some melee...if you can't, then the problem is obviously on your end and not everyone else's.

You haven't been reading the posts carefully. I didn't say a melee setup can't be done, I said people rather hit the easy button then try to include various classes. SE making stronger incentives for diverse parties is the best way to go. Is it inevitable that people find ways around anything? Yes. Not doing anything about it though is eventually going to go back to the way FFXI was.

I feel like this debate is going in various directions. x_x

People made a good point that if you can't perform a speed run with your setup, it is your fault. There is no argument against that. If you don't want to take a challenge, then level mage or archer and just burn it down. I just simply don't want end game LS's believing it is "this way or the highway". It happened in FFXI, and don't want it to repeat itself in FFXIV. You can say other MMO's do this, but for most of them, all classes are welcomed at least and based more on gear/skill. Back then, in high end LS's, it was hard to get your Puppetmaster into an HNM fight, since most of them didn't want them in there, no matter how well geared you were.

But who knows what will happen in 1.19 and 1.20. It could make everything I said completely invalid

Everyone here has actually brought in pretty good points against the matter, so it mostly boils down to throwing the same statement at each other over and over.

[Okiura]

They can make dungeons with heroic modes too, that way you can have an easy mode dungeon without good drops as training ground, or different bosses, and an heroic mode were you need to be really good player to finish it, that way they wont dumb down the dungeons and everyone will be happy.

This is acctually a really good idea. but i do see small flaw, ppl will make the same complaint about the heroic dungons as the complaint here. "I have to actually work to get good gear and i don't wanna, it's too hard"

[Velhart]

They can make dungeons with heroic modes too, that way you can have an easy mode dungeon without good drops as training ground, or different bosses, and an heroic mode were you need to be really good player to finish it, that way they wont dumb down the dungeons and everyone will be happy.

They are kind of doing that with the Ifrit Battle. There is going to be a lv.30 mode and a lv.50 mode. I think this is a neat setup. Maybe in the future we will get a harder version of lv.50 content.

[Thanos]

They are kind of doing that with the Ifrit Battle. There is going to be a lv.30 mode and a lv.50 mode. I think this is a neat setup. Maybe in the future we will get a harder version of lv.50 content.

I hope R30 and R50 drops different gear. Would be stupid to drop the exact same thing.

[Plague]

I can't see them dropping the same thing...No way lol.

[Thanos]

I can't see them dropping the same thing...No way lol.

Well you never know... it would satisfy the noobs.

You know the ones that dont wanna put in the effort at the same degree the hardcore players do but they still want the same rewards

[Cursive]

You haven't been reading the posts carefully. I didn't say a melee setup can't be done, I said people rather hit the easy button then try to include various classes. SE making stronger incentives for diverse parties is the best way to go. Is it inevitable that people find ways around anything? Yes. Not doing anything about it though is eventually going to go back to the way FFXI was.

I feel like this debate is going in various directions. x_x

People made a good point that if you can't perform a speed run with your setup, it is your fault. There is no argument against that. If you don't want to take a challenge, then level mage or archer and just burn it down. I just simply don't want end game LS's believing it is "this way or the highway". It happened in FFXI, and don't want it to repeat itself in FFXIV. You can say other MMO's do this, but for most of them, all classes are welcomed at least and based more on gear/skill. Back then, in high end LS's, it was hard to get your Puppetmaster into an HNM fight, since most of them didn't want them in there, no matter how well geared you were.

But who knows what will happen in 1.19 and 1.20. It could make everything I said completely invalid

Everyone here has actually brought in pretty good points against the matter, so it mostly boils down to throwing the same statement at each other over and over.

the comment arc and mage only is easy mode is ridiculous. have you even completed a speed run? let alone a five chest speed run? watching videos and calling it easy mode is ignorant. of course the video makes it look easy...it is based on however many hours of trial and error.


end game shells usually require certain set-ups because they are goal oriented....they do things for a very specific purpose and in the most efficient way...path of least resistance. that will never change, no matter what se does. so please stop crying about it and do either of the things people have suggested...figure out how to make melee more useful or rank arc or a mage.

[Velhart]

the comment arc and mage only is easy mode is ridiculous. have you even completed a speed run? let alone a five chest speed run? watching videos and calling it easy mode is ignorant. of course the video makes it look easy...it is based on however many hours of trial and error.


end game shells usually require certain set-ups because they are goal oriented....they do things for a very specific purpose and in the most efficient way...path of least resistance. that will never change, no matter what se does. so please stop crying about it and do either of the things people have suggested...figure out how to make melee more useful or rank arc or a mage.

You can put "Easy" mode in a game, but it doesn't mean it is easy for you in particular. Maybe I should give you a better word to work with, "Easier", or maybe "More convenient".

[Cursive]

You can put "Easy" mode in a game, but it doesn't mean it is easy for you in particular. Maybe I should give you a better word to work with, "Easier", or maybe "More convenient".

easy does not mean convenient (not to mention the fact that the dungeon is retardedly easy). please go try a five chest speed run with mar, 4 arc, 2 con, 1 thm or any combination of arc and mages.

[Chain]

lol @ the guy saying get HQ gear.