Healing DRK tanks sucks.

[Tranquil]

At this point I think it's a matter of the playerbase not knowing what to do and then us seeing people who've never tanked before, tanking in general. That adds up.

Whether or not DRK sucks or is good is another thing to be evaluated later on.

[LycorisSelunis]

I am going to level ast after I get scholar to 60.

However it's heals seem stronger than SCH but it doesn't have the offset capacity a scholar has. So it is a better healer but doesn't have the debuffs.

Their heals are baseline less potent. using whm comparisons since I don't have nocturnal sect yet.

cure 400 benefic 380 medica2 200/100 regen aspected helios 140/50 regen

cure2 650 benefic2 620 medica 300 helios 290 whispering dawn o intital/100 regen

so compared to sch, physick is same as cure. the sch spells with shields are slightly weaker than whm versions but shields are considered better than raw healing generally. I will hopefully have nocturnal sect tomorrow (had to log at 49, its killing me).

emergency heal is good though. baseline 400 potency (so same as a normal cure which sounds small) but instant, no mana, and increases potency the more heath the target is missing.

Another thing I would like to note is I don't have any aoe dmg yet. looks like the first aoe is at 52 in Gravity. by now whm has holy, and sch had bane ages ago, plus miasma2 and gets shadowflare at 50. Really noticeable in DD.

[Zeikial]

In the 20 or so dungeons I have run only 3 DK were good, and that's having a DK in all those dungeons. From what I have seen, the majority are trying to dps more than tank. Some of them are just taking massive damage, don't think its an issue with the potency of the heals more than it is taking in more damage that can be healed. Even with the buff Bole they are just taking massive damage.

[SovereignAegis]

snippity snip.

Ahhh, yes I see and agree. A lot of that seems to be regen oriented... I don't know if I love or hate that.

Perhaps in combination with a WHM or Scholar that could be quite effective, probably scholar because of the shields.

I am going to level AST after scholar, I want to see it more for myself before making any final judgements. Number wise AST don't seem too far off WHM.

[LycorisSelunis]

Yeah the numbers seem not that far on paper but it feels a lot worse. Tomorrow ill hit 50 and do some comparisons with the same gear as my whm, I am hoping a lot of what I am feeling now is based on being low level....plus nocturnal sect shield comparisons.

My original plan was to get ast to 50 then decide which of the 3 healers to take to 60 first.

[SovereignAegis]

Yeah the numbers seem not that far on paper but it feels a lot worse. Tomorrow ill hit 50 and do some comparisons with the same gear as my whm, I am hoping a lot of what I am feeling now is based on being low level....plus nocturnal sect shield comparisons.

My original plan was to get ast to 50 then decide which of the 3 healers to take to 60 first.

Yeah for me I will main scholar I have no doubt, but the question has always been what healer will be my secondary? WHM seems nice but there are a trillion of them because they are such a solid class.

AST being "difficult" and different than WHM appeals to me. But AST will never replace scholar, I have a bloody pokemon (fairy).

[DarkmoonVael]

While I am not playing Dark Knight.
I have found astrologian heals underwhelming in Heavensward, given after multiple runs of dungeons and trials, pretty much the only 2 failures have been astrologian heal output. Does that class really heal as potently as the WHM or scholar?

Granted even still it's not a particularly big deal given these issues were player made more then class.
There are multiple people playing dark knight right now, I'll presume this is partially coincidence.

I have AST at 54, the through-put on healing from it is lower than SCH/WHM but not so low that it makes their healing capabilities weak. It is a funny one to heal with, and having to use Essential Dignity (insta cast heal that scales with the difference in targets current hp compared to their max hp) as part of your healing rotation is something that others may not be picking up on.

In the new dungeons, i find that as long as tanks use cooldowns sensibly and dps dont stand in the bad too much, then its fine. When situations go south, sometimes Lightspeed has to be used, and that cuts my heals by 25% (but dear lord is this cooldown broken as hell).

[Kienkarajo]

Strange, DK have damage reduction skills and you can also use the cross class skills. Right now I'm using a DK and all dungeon have been easy however, I have played all healer classes and also tanks, so I know how to reduce effort to the healers, maybe is just that all people that are used to DPS want to use the big sword character that has black magic?Same as WoW

[Yumi_umi]

Healing imo as an ast on drk isn't tht different frm other tanks.
Its just tht in 8 man content ur co healer probs don't know much about ast so they just treat u like the other healer.
Whm co healer = thinks ur a sch
Sch co healer = thinks ur a whm
Then they expect u to act like one which is like wtf lol.
Sch sitting at 90% mp while they wait for us to "burst" heal party.
Whms go like do ur sch stuff.

One thing might be cuz drks aren't doing well in mp management etc

Healing them tho as whm is easy

[Huntington]

Having leveled PLD and WAR to 50 and made them my two main jobs besides SMN, WAR being my first Zeta, I haven't been having any healing issues from ASTs at all, in the slightest as DRK.

Though everyone really should take into account that three new jobs were just added, and for months of no battle classes to level but NIN, everyone has jumped onto one of the three and started playing around with it. This goes for the people that don't really like healing or tanking, and just want to experience the new job. Some of the people you will run into will either be inadequate tanks or healers. I'd say like 70% of my server has been rampantly leveling the three Jobs in fate zones like crazy since Early Access started, some getting from 30 - 50 in the first day on DRK that I saw. Haven't died once so far in an duties with an AST healer, besides a Dzemael run earlier where healer died to final bosses line AoE, it happens when people are tired. No issues besides that staying alive as DRK, I was exclusively leveling with one friend who was on AST too till about 37, she was doing fine with the cards and setup for the Job it seemed to me.