Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

[sharazisspecial]

AST plays similar to WHM but it can also buff the crap out its allies,. So i don't see why im going to stay WHM. The only major abilities AST lacks over WHM is cure 3 and Divine Seal.

[Ambivalence]

My take on Ast so far is that they bring quite a bit of utility, but their throughput as a healer is lacking compared to WHM/SCH. This is not only due to all spells simply having lower potency, but not having the abilities needed to increase potency when needed.

- Not having a Divine seal type or any buff to potency is a 30% potency loss
- All heals potency is lower than whm/sch (especially regen/shield spells)
- AST burst healing ability is a -25% potency spell to make spells instant (MP issues)
- Regenerates MP just like/same amount as WHM (but uses significantly more MP)
- Free Cure is replaced with 15% chance for an instant (Situational and high MP cost)
- AOE is lack luster (Holy duplicate but without stun)

Throughput of healing needs to be buffed in line with other healers. Both WHM/SCH have other abilities to offer to offset the utility of AST.
AST will perpetually be a back-up healer that pairs better with a WHM. (Since shields will not stack w/ scholar.)

[sharazisspecial]

Both WHM/SCH have other abilities to offer to offset the utility of AST

What exactly does WHM have over AST if AST can completely match WHM's healing output.

BTW when it comes to Regens AST's regen effects are strong, almost equal to WHM
They have a 30 sec 50 potency regen, a heal with a 100 potency regen attached. Collective unconscious is 150 potency regen over 18 seconds.
Dinural Aspect benefic is just better compared to Regen. Because Aspect benefic immediately heals .

When it comes to potency of immediate heals, AST has medica, but no Divine seal or Cure 3.

Regen Stance AST healing output is close to SCH (because SCH don't have a spammable Medica, they have like 2 medica a minute) but they lack the shield strength of SCH.

[GideonHighmourn]

What exactly does WHM have over AST if AST can completely match WHM's healing output.

BTW when it comes to Regens AST's regen effects are strong. But when it comes to potency of heals, AST has medica, but no Divine seal .
Regen Stance AST healing output is close to SCH (because SCH don't have a spammable Medica)

AST can't meet the healing output of SCH or of WHM on paper, simply because their heals have lower potency. SCH also now has an insta-cast Medica (Indomitability) and the ability to make Succor into a pure HPS ability with no shield component.

AST offers a lot, but I don't think healing output will be/is equivalent to WHMs or SCHs.

[sharazisspecial]

Indomitably and shield>HP both have 30 second cooldowns.
So SCH can burst a little (700) but then are left with succor (150). Whereas Diurnal AST get 2 aoe regen(150+50) and a spammable (290) potency medica.

[GideonHighmourn]

Indomitably and shield into HP both have 30 second cooldowns.

That doesn't matter. They still factor directly into HPS when needed.

Sure, AST can spam Helios, but HPS =! eHPS.

The spammability of a skill doesn't make it effective, necessarily. I've never been part of a fight where I've needed to spam Medica (outside of cheesing that one turn in coil) or needed more output than Succor+WD combined with a WHM Medica 2.

Point for point, AST has lower healing capability than both WHM or SCH; however, they make up for this with versatility and buffing capacity.

[FoxyAreku]

AST plays similar to WHM but it can also buff the crap out its allies,. So i don't see why im going to stay WHM. The only major abilities AST lacks over WHM is cure 3 and Divine Seal.

White mage is still better at pure healing and always will be. If you wanna be a pure healer white mage will always be the best for that.

[sharazisspecial]

Well in 2.0 healing output needed was kind of forgiving, most fights were just DPS checks.

It may off changed in Heavensward extreme Raids. We will see.

[Verdan]

My take on Ast so far is that they bring quite a bit of utility, but their throughput as a healer is lacking compared to WHM/SCH.

Throughput of healing needs to be buffed in line with other healers. Both WHM/SCH have other abilities to offer to offset the utility of AST.

This is the design, so sorry dawg. They're the ultimate wingman, and when they have to stand on their own it's done through the buffs they do. If they matched potency with the other healers they'd straight beat 'em, so they can't get an output buff.

[Yumi_umi]

I healed some more trials and damnn, ur kinda screwed/ cant carry like a whm or sch if ur co healer dies on u. Solo healing atm is pretty hard as ur not a bursty party healer, more of a single target healer. You go oom if u spam helios / aspected helios & spamming it with lightspeed isn't tht effective.
Like healing thru t12 flames cast ( during adds phase ) is hard lol
Ik its new etc but to struggle a little like this in old content is kinda hmmmm level 60 stuff will be interesting