Why not abolish the Class system entirely in favor of Jobs? [@ Devs]

[Zenaku]

Your acting as if Jobs can only be used in party situations, and classes can only be used while soloing. Classes right now can solo fairly easily without equiping cross class abilities, that said, I'm sure a Gladiator can solo more effectively while Palading is equipped due to healing and defensive capabilities. When jobs come out, I'm really sure players will stick to their job while in a party or soloing, others will stick to classes if they have a large amount of cross class abilities they have acces to.

Red Mage is going to be a Job and has all the essentials of soloing, so what would be the point of taking it off while soloing?

I'm an Archer with little to no cross class abilities, and I can solo mobs almost 15 levels above me fairly easy. When jobs are releas bard will give me the added buffs and protection the job comes with, so why should I only be a bard within a party? The key word is PLAYER CHOICE, everyone should have the choice to define their play style and role, especially for solo play.

Also solo players are going to want to utilize jobs as well as artifact equipment, and this is why jobs will not be exclusive to party play.

This is the biggest reason they should be unlocked. Solo players can define their strategies.

no i'm going by what SE said Jobs can't be very good at soloing due to the fact that i don't know. If i be a monk i don't have any good way of cure due to the fact that i'm lock to Monk type JA/WS.

Jobs would be best for Dungeons and party type and people who don't want to party still can go off and be on there class. if they want to solo with there job they can but going to be hard without any type of cure on a DD type job.

[Davorok]

no i'm going by what SE said Jobs can't be very good at soloing due to the fact that i don't know. If i be a monk i don't have any good way of cure due to the fact that i'm lock to Monk type JA/WS.

Jobs would be best for Dungeons and party type and people who don't want to party still can go off and be on there class. if they want to solo with there job they can but going to be hard without any type of cure on a DD type job.

We obviously need some clarification from SE on this but my guess is that The Grand Companies will somehow magically "imbue us" with these new abilities/jobs just for the duration of the mission/dungeon/raids. I don't think we will even have the option to play the jobs outside of Grand Company Party Missions.

[Engineer]

We obviously need some clarification from SE on this but my guess is that The Grand Companies will somehow magically "imbue us" with these new abilities/jobs just for the duration of the mission/dungeon/raids. I don't think we will even have the option to play the jobs outside of Grand Company Party Missions.

This can't be the case since SE said that we will have special equipment that can only be equipped while the jobs are attached. Also Grand Companies aren't the only Party related content in XIV..

no i'm going by what SE said Jobs can't be very good at soloing due to the fact that i don't know. If i be a monk i don't have any good way of cure due to the fact that i'm lock to Monk type JA/WS.

Jobs would be best for Dungeons and party type and people who don't want to party still can go off and be on there class. if they want to solo with there job they can but going to be hard without any type of cure on a DD type job.

You don't have to have cure or cross class skills to solo. Pugilist can solo fairly easily with no cross class abilities especially since they have second wind, and I'm pretty sure Chakra will be added to monk along with strong DD skills, so why couldn't a Monk solo?

For many players that don't have acces to cross class skills, jobs will make them better at soloing with the job equipped.

Think about it. If I'm a Gladiator with no cross class skills that can solo fairly easy, why wouldn't you think I can solo better by having the paladin job equipped that gives me healing and defensive skills along with the artifact gear?

[Davorok]

This can't be the case since SE said that we will have special equipment that can only be equipped while the jobs are attached. Also Grand Companies aren't the only Party related content in XIV..

It still could be the case because the Grand Companies will issue the jobs and will reward the gear so it's possible the /job activation and all related items/gears are GC instance related. They have hinted at Battle Chocobo's too for some quests/missions but I would not expect to get to keep the Choco. Maybe we don't get to keep the gear either or even the job. lol

I am probably wrong ( I often am) so let's assume you can activate the /job anytime, anywhere:

You don't have to have cure or cross class skills to solo. Pugilist can solo fairly easily with no cross class abilities especially since they have second wind, and I'm pretty sure Chakra will be added to monk along with strong DD skills, so why couldn't a Monk solo?

For many players that don't have acces to cross class skills, jobs will make them better at soloing with the job equipped.

Think about it. If I'm a Gladiator with no cross class skills that can solo fairly easy, why wouldn't you think I can solo better by having the paladin job equipped that gives me healing and defensive skills along with the artifact gear?

That is a valid point but what I think others (well me anyway) are saying is that maybe you can play Gla/Pal or Pug/Mnk solo and you might like it, even love it and prefer it but your sp-per-hour is likely to be lower due to longer drawn out fights. A Gla/xxx or Pug/xxx with the full cross class abilities will still be superior in sp/hr grinding.

But I won't judge. I like doing my own thing and creating a character I like, not what others think I should be...except when I need them for a Dungeon Raid or Limit Break quest, etc. Then I am perfectly willing to "tow the company line" (submit to the elitsm of partying). And That is why the Armory System Works Brilliantly because we can easily switch from what we want to what a PT wants and back again all depending on the situation. (Actually it will get even easier after the next couple of updates.)

[Zenaku]

We obviously need some clarification from SE on this but my guess is that The Grand Companies will somehow magically "imbue us" with these new abilities/jobs just for the duration of the mission/dungeon/raids. I don't think we will even have the option to play the jobs outside of Grand Company Party Missions.

they have said this it just a title system that would not allow you to hybrid spell that does not make sense to that job so you in a party outside city they disband 500exp from level up? switch to class and solo the rest.

@Engineer don't you get that idea around class? is for soloing because they can hybrid have more spell so you can tank/dd/heal yourself better in a solo play. Like the 4man dungeon there for class because you lacking 4 more players you can hybrid and get that one done with class. But the 8man is done better with jobs.

I'm not saying jobs can't solo i just saying class can do it better because they can hybrid and yoshi-p have said that jobs = party play class would = solo play that don't mean class can't party or job can't solo it just saying which does it better.