Lootmaster: The Greatest Abuse tool.

[Able]

Pugs will likely never use it.

[Yukiko]

Greetings, all!

I can certainly understand the trepidation that many people may have ceding certain looting rights (or all of them) to another person. While this feature should provide a great benefit for groups to prevent certain errors or fraud, or to just make it easier for a group of friends to handle loot, the possibility of abuse of this system is certainly there. However, it is worth noting, the current system also has the possibility of abuse, and this new system is entirely optional within specific restrictions.

As with any agreement between people being broken, if the new looting system is abused, it should be reported to the GM team as Fraud, and we will investigate it accordingly. A few guidelines for preventing being affected by fraud due to this new system:

• We will enforce the agreements made between customers. If there is no agreement made about loot, then any loot option chosen will be considered to be agreed to on entering the dungeon.
• While the loot setting is displayed on the window to commence the duty, choosing a loot option that contradicts any agreements does not mean they are agreeing to the changed setting.
• There may be multiple ways for the same rules to be enforced, depending on concerns about fraud. Explaining the method of distribution before entering can help to prevent misunderstandings.
• If you are unhappy with the loot setting that is being chosen, leaving the party before entering would be advised to prevent a conflict about loot during the run.

As with any violation, the GMs will investigate and make the final determination about if the agreements were upheld and if there was a violation of the rules, so please do report it to us so we can investigate.

LGM Enkrateia

While i understand the need of such a system there is one thing i wonder:
Why not giving the lootmaster a helping hand with an ingame system where players can mark a possible loot. If it drops the lootmaster can look at the list and sees who claimed what, same as the GM can watch it and observe abuse! Lootmasters are just humans as we all are (except some yoshies ).

As Example: Currently raidleaders have to take notes on a sheet or write a macro, its a timeconsuming and hard work if you are forming groups randomly on groupfinder (coming and going)...

[Nadirah]

Sigh.

Even if it is "the norm", just make your own group in party finder.

Everyone that says this doesn't understand that forming and leading parties isn't something everyone is comfortable doing.

I might not have a problem with it, but Johnny over there might, and you're basically just stating "bend over and take it".

I'm just waiting for the rampant forum cries of ninjas. They're bound to happen, especially since loot master holds the loot until the end. Wait til everyone's cleared, leave with everything.

The tears. Oh the tears...

[Nadirah]

(G>N Lock 1 Parties are pretty much a pseudo loot master system. If someone rolled on loot someone else locked and won it, that person could be reported).

I also find it funny that people bless FFXIV's community to be very good, but the second something like a loot master system comes along, the FFXIV community is suddenly the most untrustworthy group of people in the world.

I don't like that rule either. I want gear for another job, I win it on greed rolls or you know, actually do that job. And reserving(locking) loot, is stupid.

[blackcitadel9]

Personally I like the idea of lootmaster, especially if said lootmaster is me. But then I GM pen and paper games, I'm used to creating horrible scenarios for my friends. I could get them to beg me NOT to give them loot for fear the item is cursed. XD
Seriously though I would ensure a fair distribution, and all else fails. Greed button is still there.
I do see where other people's concerns are though. I've said all that and stand by it, yet none of you would know going in that I'm trustworthy and have no reason to believe I am. It's defo for people who know each other. Steer clear of PFs with it I guess. Good reason to go make more trustworthy friends I guess. XD

[AlphaFox]

I do admit this is where a ranking system could also come in saying the leader is fair with the loot or not to be trusted. Of course with that said, I also foresee trolls getting boosted in rating only to steal everything or considered untrustworthy despite being fair.

Sigh...we can't have nice things like this lol

[Darra]

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As far as not joining groups that have this setting, you know it will be abused as often times people are so desperate for a clear that they will agree to almost anything.
Its just another tool for exploitation, plain and simple.

Most people use a car to travel from point A to point B. A very tiny % of people use a car to deliberately run someone over. Should we therefore ban the manufacture and sale of cars, just because a very tiny % will be assholes with them? If you answered that question with a "no", then there you have it, quit bitching about what ifs in a video game. It's not like there's any full proof system when humans are involved so all systems will have flaws and be abused.

[lvlagmarink]

Even if it's not becoming a norm.. With this new lootmaster rule, there would be more reasons for players who would avoid going to PF simply because of not trusting the party leader with the loot asignment not being equal.. While of course, there are more and more contents being released and the lacking of party going for said content.. These would lead players to eliminate players who are blacklisted, using different language barrier, and there is this new lootmaster system..

So players who is pro about this lootmaster system would be players who are too impatient to ask what everyone need during 5mins looting timer, and there are player who is con about lootmaster system because afraid of this being abused..

[Nestama]

I don't like that rule either. I want gear for another job, I win it on greed rolls or you know, actually do that job. And reserving(locking) loot, is stupid.

It's a good incentive, though AND it encourages players to play on their best Jobs. You may find it stupid, but many people like this system as it guarantees everyone gets something they're after (if it drops). If something that isn't locked drops, then it's Greed only. I honestly see no downside to this.

If a Loot Master abuses the system, report them. If someone loot ninja's what you've locked, report them.

[Cakekizy]

One detail I didn't see mentioned, when you use lootmaster a random member of party is marked as leader once you enter dungeon.