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  1. #2101
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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Flare nerf won't matter much on 2 targets (It's 5% lost)

    The nerf is mainly for mass AoE pulls like dungeons and they are putting BLMs about the same level of SMNs

    I don't care aboutr AoE, I only care for progression but I fear Summoner is stronger and safer DPS. Right now the only reason why BLM do more DPS than SMN is because SMN runs out of mana. In a 3 minutes dummy fight, I do the same damage than my BLM on dummy and I have a useless stat.
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  2. #2102
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    Sleigh's Avatar
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    There's no arguing that a lot of the advantages BLM had over SMN (Selene, proper ACC cap, taking advantage of every single stat) are going away or being mitigated heavily. At this point, it does look safer to get, I agree. Assuming same DPS (hard to say yet who should do more based on potencies), it'd come down to:

    BLM: Apoc, bursty, Manawall/ward, probably still better at AoE in small amounts as advantages
    SMN: better E4E/Virus, Resurrection, easier mobility, can't possibly get screwed by phase changes/timers (well, aside from losing DoT durations, but that's usually only an issue as you overgear)

    Just gotta hope BLM does a bit more ST DPS during optimal uptime, or else yeah I think BLM will be in a rough spot in raids. Although I won't lie, I really, REALLY like having shielding for progression but that's more a comfort thing.
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  3. #2103
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    Judge_Xero's Avatar
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    Divine Gate
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    Exodus
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    Marauder Lv 60
    At a glance though it looks like BLM and SMN are going to really close in fights.

    SMN is getting a bit more Burst AOE potential + Single Target Damage

    BLM is getting more single target Damage + slightly less AOE potential.

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    I think it will be really close and I don't think SMN will have MP issues at all if you figure out how to manage the Dreadwyrm Trance (Ruin III becomes 1/2 the cost of Ruin -> MP Gain)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    There's no arguing that a lot of the advantages BLM had over SMN (Selene, proper ACC cap, taking advantage of every single stat) are going away or being mitigated heavily. At this point, it does look safer to get, I agree. Assuming same DPS (hard to say yet who should do more based on potencies), it'd come down to:

    BLM: Apoc, bursty, Manawall/ward, probably still better at AoE in small amounts as advantages
    SMN: better E4E/Virus, Resurrection, easier mobility, can't possibly get screwed by phase changes/timers (well, aside from losing DoT durations, but that's usually only an issue as you overgear)

    Just gotta hope BLM does a bit more ST DPS during optimal uptime, or else yeah I think BLM will be in a rough spot in raids. Although I won't lie, I really, REALLY like having shielding for progression but that's more a comfort thing.
    I think BLM will have a higher ceiling than SMN given a very skilled player/team synergy + Shield Usage. Unless SMN Dots are getting a potency boost as well, BLM still appears to have the benefit of higher direct damage skills. I suspect it will come down to Movement Heavy/Turret fights where each will hold a slight edge, due to the Leyline mechanic for BLM. But I can live with that over BLM wins on all the things.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 06-18-2015 at 10:27 AM.

  4. #2104
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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    At a glance though it looks like BLM and SMN are going to really close in fights.
    Unless SMN Dots are getting a potency boost as well, BLM still appears to have the benefit of higher direct damage skills.
    Everyone tells me that Spell Speed will give a potency boost on dots + reducing GCD. Summoners have have up to 5 DoTs, BLM have 1. I think it's fair to assume the reason Selene will give a 3% haste instead of 30% skill/spell speed is because of that. People also forget that one trait that is useless for Summoners until 3.0 hit : You have 20% chance on a pet damage or healing crit to grant 20% Spell Speed. I'd track down that buff when I get to refresh all my dots when it happens if Speed ends up extremely potent on Summoner.
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  5. #2105
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    Dalareid's Avatar
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    Reid Ornitier
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    Ultros
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Rip blm top dps caster, welcome smn lol.
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  6. #2106
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    alphamax112's Avatar
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    Kim Taeyeon
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    Tonberry
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    Summoner Lv 60
    BLM in HW will be as rare as SMN in ARR
    Get with it
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  7. #2107
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    Skvimpan Skvimpsson
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    Cerberus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Is it know now how enochian will work, if it will have some passive buff etc?
    While SMN looks really interesting now i hope to keep maining BLM, manaward/wall have saved me so many times, it wouldn't be right to abandon it
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  8. #2108
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    YoloSwaggins's Avatar
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    Yolo Swaggins
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    Moogle
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    I think it's safe to assume that Enochian will have some secondary effect that comes along with it considering we learn it before blizzard IV and fire IV.
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  9. #2109
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    OneWingedSora's Avatar
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    Mala Liath
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by YoloSwaggins View Post
    I think it's safe to assume that Enochian will have some secondary effect that comes along with it considering we learn it before blizzard IV and fire IV.
    We already know it does. Presumably 10% damage increase.
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  10. #2110
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    melflomil's Avatar
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    Hazel Mimelia
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    We already know it does. Presumably 10% damage increase.
    Correct the same as dreadwyrm stance for SMN. 10% damage as long as it is active
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