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  1. #11
    Player Intaki's Avatar
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    V'aleera Lhuil
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 79
    Quote Originally Posted by Dante_V View Post
    I agree there is a housing issue but I disagree that you are entitled to all content because you pay a sub specifically in reference to your shortcoming as there is content in this game you cannot access already unless you beat previously gated content. (Final Coil)
    I can walk into Final Coil whenever I want to. Whether or not I can beat it is another matter; I have access to the content created with my money.

    Can you say the same about buying a house? No, you can't.

    If the Coil system worked like the housing system, there would only be 1440 pieces of gear dropped for the entire server. Period. Once they're gone, they're gone until someone deletes them out of their inventory.
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  2. #12
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    Zorlinta Freespirit
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    Zodiark
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    Fisher Lv 60
    As far from the patch pre-release notes are, it doesn't looks that is so much difference having a house or not.
    First most of the content you are talking is related to FC, not just house.
    Second after that, it content (airship, workshops) looks to require huge amount of crafting materials and FC credits, wich means not everyone will have the will to keep doing so and also need many people working on it, so the small FC will have lots of trouble to keep it working.
    Third for now, after all that effort, airships for now will work just like retainers, and of course it will have the same "friendly" RNG generator for stuff (yeah, those 16 vitality materia 2 rewarded on the patch note image looks so desirable).

    So far the patch notes looks great, it will be nice, though still i have serious doubts now about how much worthy it be for the effort it uses, yeah have to wait until it be online for a better perception of it. But right now im set back foot on earth.
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  3. #13
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    Anaxagoras Lakshmi
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Thanks for responses, everyone, and for being civil about it.

    Generally, I am also a big fan of "death to the aristos." That was how I felt at first, before I did some reading around and gave this issue some thought. Don't misunderstand me: I am very angry about the housing situation. Like, my entire FC and I are pretty pissed, because we play this game as a small group for the express purpose of accomplishing things together. So that makes this games cool housing system near the top of our most wanted list; it provides cool challenges that we can tackle as a group for various rewards. That's fantastic. But we can't do it. Can't even get a taste of it.
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  4. #14
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    Anaxagoras Lakshmi
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    So yeah, I'm mad, and definitely "death to however deserves it." But it's not the owners of abandoned houses. The reason death to the aristos makes sense in some situations is because the aristos have a vested interest in holding everyone else down. But in this case, there's no such interest. Current homeowners aren't trying to keep the rest of us from getting houses of our own, they're just trying to keep their own houses. Plus, evicting them all wouldn't be a real fix anyway. The houses thus freed up would immediately fill up, and then new ones would pop up randomly every week or so, only to be snatched up again. We don't need evictions, we just straight up need more houses. Way, way, way more houses. And I'm way more comfortable blaming SE for not making enough, than I am blaming fellow players who worked for their houses, and might come back to them some day. Lord knows, I quit this game for over a year. Had I bought a house and lost it, I'd probably not have come back at all.
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  5. #15
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    Anaxagoras Lakshmi
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    Leviathan
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    And in response to the comment about gated content, I don't disagree. I like having gates in front of my content. I really enjoy working hard to achieve something, it gives my primitive brain a little shot of dopamine as if it really mattered, and it make me feel good. Gated content is wonderful. But there's a completely obvious distinction between gated content and completely untouchable content. Housing is not something we can't get "yet." It's something we can't get, period. No amount of work will overcome the current barrier. So that analogy is completely bunk.
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  6. #16
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    Anaxagoras Lakshmi
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    My hope right now is that SE will do something, soon. With this expansion, and the influx of new players it will bring, an "uprising" is imminent. When people start to realize that they paid for this housing gameplay, but can't do it, and that it's SE's fault and negligence, they will be angry, and they'll take to the internet, and SE will have to figure it out. Or they'll leave the game, and they'll be right to. This game is good, but there are a lot of good games on the horizon. Especially for a subscription based game, SE is already pushing it by charging extra for retainers (I firmly believe that, in a subscription model, we should all have access to all the storage the servers can handle); making us pay monthly in this day and age for an incomplete experience just won't fly.
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  7. #17
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    Zeo Valefor
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Intaki View Post
    If it can't be gotten, why are we paying for it?
    Because it's an MMO. You have to work for your content. That's how games like this work.
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    Zeo Valefor
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I pay to see the final cut scene after beating FCoB Turn 4, so i want to see it now without working for it.
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  9. #19
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    Thail Ashlain
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    This is a problem, but nearly as big of a deal as the lack of inventory space. I think housing and inventory management is where this game and expansion shows the weakest by far.
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    Kamidel Aetheril
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    Faerie
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    The problem is not that the content requires work. (from the way I understand it) But more the fact there are literally not enough houses for all the FCs on a server let alone FCs AND private citizens. That is a very sad fact that even my FC was facing not to long ago. We did however get lucky and have someone sell their house when they server transferred, which was nice, but the fact remains we shouldn't have to have rank 8 FCs with out a legit chance to get a house.
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