Holy and Flare diminishing returns nerf

[Viridiana]

How? Assize is 300 potency without diminishing returns. Holy is 200 for just the first enemy and goes down from there.

Assize is definitely more powerful, but it has a 90s recast timer so it's not a replacement.

I was talking about Flare.

[elemental10]

Ley lines is just cast speed, has no effect on flares damage.

And 130 potency for all of my mana is little for a lot.

Ah, I see. Still, casting Flare inside ley lines would be a good idea.

Yeah but what I said was it's 130 potency to all the enemies around the target. So, I think it's a reasonable amount considering you still hit the first target for full potency.

I rarely play as BLM but when I do, I flare a lot. I flare when the mana has only like close to 20%. Not enough to cast Fire 2 but enough to cast Fire 1. So, exchanging that Fire 1 with a big AOE is a very fair trade, given the Flare will deplete my mana.

[Verdan]

They could extend the stun to 10s for all anyone cares, if you spam it you quickly burn out it's effectiveness as the mobs build resistance. Holy was never meant to be spammed, it was intended as 'one and run', like Fluid Aura.

The stun part is, but all CC isn't meant to be re-applied multiple times. The damage part is very clearly meant to be recast, because otherwise they just would've put it on a cooldown.

[Verius_Nox]

Ah, I see. Still, casting Flare inside ley lines would be a good idea.

Yeah but what I said was it's 130 potency to all the enemies around the target. So, I think it's a reasonable amount considering you still hit the first target for full potency.

I rarely play as BLM but when I do, I flare a lot. I flare when the mana has only like close to 20%. Not enough to cast Fire 2 but enough to cast Fire 1. So, exchanging that Fire 1 with a big AOE is a very fair trade, given the Flare will deplete my mana.

Be more efficient now to blizzard 3 to refill mana for more fire 2 spam quicker.

Flare will now just be something you cast when convert is up.

[Allyrion]

I was talking about Flare.

Oh I got the impression the person you quoted was talking about for WHM.
Because the person they quoted were talking about what I assume was Holy, since they were talking about it being worth the mana.

But I do see the argument about Flare vs Assize the page before.

[bettomendes]

...130 potency for all of my mana is little for a lot.

I don't think you really know when to use flare...

[Fantasy9]

I can understand doing this for Holy but why Flare? Flare uses 100% of remaining MP to cast but holy doesn't. Seems like Flare won't be used much anymore.

[Ninimo_Babamo]

This is just a way to scale back the power of current AoEs to make room for the new ones. This really isn't something worth complaining about.

[elemental10]

Be more efficient now to blizzard 3 to refill mana for more fire 2 spam quicker.

Flare will now just be something you cast when convert is up.

Yeah but I like Flare not just because of it's damage but because it's a big explosion.

Besides, I'm not trying to hit min/max here. And people wouldn't say no to a flare spam anyways.

Convert will always be up after I cast Flare, so no problem there. Only places where I don't actually end my spells with Flare is when I know I have to move during the next cast.

[Verius_Nox]

Yeah but I like Flare not just because of it's damage but because it's a big explosion.

Besides, I'm not trying to hit min/max here. And people wouldn't say no to a flare spam anyways.

Convert will always be up after I cast Flare, so no problem there. Only places where I don't actually end my spells with Flare is when I know I have to move during the next cast.

Gameplay wise, RIP big shiny numbers on multiple enemies making you feel like a god. Now it'll be one big number, then a bunch of wannabe numbers looking for table scraps from the bigger better number.

Think of the numbers, SE. They need homes, too.