Holy and Flare diminishing returns nerf

[Lemuria]

Yet another case of forcing their methods of fighting down our throats at the expense of relegating skills to the garbage heap. Flare still eats all of your MP, but now there's literally no incentive to cast it. White Mage has lost their only real reason to be casting Holy too, since it was already nerfed in damage a long while ago and we're not exactly known for our insane DPS.

If they don't want us using the damned things, then just remove them from the game. Don't nerf them to the point where it's meaningless to even bother. I'm looking at you, Blizzard II.

[Odett]

Yet another case of forcing their methods of fighting down our throats at the expense of relegating skills to the garbage heap. Flare still eats all of your MP, but now there's literally no incentive to cast it. White Mage has lost their only real reason to be casting Holy too, since it was already nerfed in damage a long while ago and we're not exactly known for our insane DPS.

If they don't want us using the damned things, then just remove them from the game. Don't nerf them to the point where it's meaningless to even bother. I'm looking at you, Blizzard II.

If you're at ~500mp and have Convert up, it's still more MP efficient and a single target DPS gain to Swiftcast a Flare

[Yuji-Ikaido]

Yet another case of forcing their methods of fighting down our throats at the expense of relegating skills to the garbage heap. Flare still eats all of your MP, but now there's literally no incentive to cast it. White Mage has lost their only real reason to be casting Holy too, since it was already nerfed in damage a long while ago and we're not exactly known for our insane DPS.

If they don't want us using the damned things, then just remove them from the game. Don't nerf them to the point where it's meaningless to even bother. I'm looking at you, Blizzard II.

I couldn't agree with this more. The abilities as they are now are practically a waste of space. Every ability should have meaning, these did. I didn't think they were ever OP as they only helped in very particular situations mainly for repetitive grinding. Now these abilities essentially have no purpose. It's a very bad decision.

[DreadRabbit]

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The skills aren't a waste of space. BLM wise you just have to shift your rotation and switch between Fire II and Flare more. And to a degree Flare was OP considering that it despite it being our mega skill, it was so easy to spam.

Yes, it takes all of your remaining MP, but there's a hidden minimum of I think 240 or 260 MP to cast Flare. That meant you could go ham on Fire II or other spells, then send out Flare. Also remember that BLM's are the MP regen kings. Hit Conversion, get just over 1k or 1.2k MP back, more Fire II and Flare. Then you can transpose and instantly get the MP to send out a Blizzard III, taking only 1 or 2 more seconds to cast Fire III and repeat the process all over again.

The whole "it costs all of your MP" thing isn't that much of a cost when you consider how quickly you get that back. That's why it was spammed in the first place. If a Summoner or the healers had a spell with that cost, then it would actually mean something because they can't get that MP back as easily. We get it in a matter of seconds. So I for one don't see the diminishing returns as a big detail. Flare can still be spammed and will still be one of our more powerful skills until we hit the level 60 skills.

[tjw]

Well, good news; Enochain has a 5% increase to magic damage dealt while active. BLM rotations for maximum deeps is going to be something to watch for now, both AoE and single target.