Pay for your inventory.

[Silverbane]

Trust me I know because just 1 hours worth of effort is enough to fill a 20 slot retainer.

And how fast do you think, say, 20 HQ Artisan offhands would sell? It's bad business to massively invest in slow-moving inventory, and that's a lot of Sealant, that is, a lot of gil, to have tied up.

Not everyone wants to sell mass quantities of cheap items. There's plenty of fun and profit in expensice stuff.

[Lewtskie]

That means if you want to carry fun items that you don't want to glamour over your gear (santa set, halloween set, vday set, etc.) you have to put it in your regular inventory and take up even more room.

It does suck, some fun is lost.

Courier Carrie was here.

See, someone now brings up an excellent point. At least, with the PvP situation. Unfortunately the outside the meta gear for roles and extra weapons/tools aside from maybe working on 1 relic at a time can't really be justified. Technically I was pushing it just having all gear for all jobs in your armoury all at once. I think the ideal they aimed for was having 4-5 jobs worth of gear in the armoury at a time and THEN having alternate pieces. This being unless you're a person with a thing for having some complex rotation and playing every job in succession, lol.

[Rath]

350 retainer inventory, 40 MB slots, and 2 gear sets in use by your retainers on top of your armor, armoire, and inventory is more then enough. But, allowing the purchase of 6 additional without giving any more space with the expansion is very disappointing.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

350 retainer inventory, 40 MB slots, and 2 gear sets in use by your retainers on top of your armor, armoire, and inventory is more then enough.

You obviously don`t craft nor collect gear right...?

[Callinon]

So here it is and this is the last thing I intend to say on this subject.

Whether you think charging customers a subscription fee for bank space is fair or not is irrelevant. Whether you think the price is too high or not is irrelevant. Whether you think people can "like it or leave" is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that this is an unprecedented move on the part of Square Enix. Final Fantasy XI made you pay for character slots, not inventory slots. FFXIV does much the same thing with its two-tiered sub structure, but with the notable difference that creating mules is functionally impossible (or at least impractical).

Charging a subscription fee for bank space is an unprecedented move not just for a subscription MMO, but for any MMO as far as I know. And a scaling subscription fee at that. This type of fee opens the door to charging subscription fees for other in-game upgrades that are and have been free for the entire history of MMOs. This is extremely dangerous for the health of the MMO market.

Imagine please, SE asking you for $2/month extra per expansion in addition to charging you the box price. Imagine please, SE asking you for $1/month extra for an additional race to be unlocked on your account. Imagine please, SE asking you for an extra $3/month for your player housing.

The exact numbers here are just as irrelevant as the retainer price, but I trust you can see where I'm going with this. I realize this sounds like a slippery slope argument and it is. But there's a reason for that. This is, IN FACT, a slippery slope. Allowing increased subscription fees for something that has NEVER cost extra money EVER in a subscription game opens the door to all sorts of awful eventualities that I can't even foresee right now.

I'm not saying this one thing is the doom of all mankind. I am saying that this is an extremely dangerous move and if SE is allowed to get away with it, we can't even know what the end result will be.

Buy it. Don't buy it. That's up to everyone here individually. But I'm telling you this is a dangerous road we're on.

[KayoZ]

No need for that, there are plenty of major F2P games.

Yeah... obviously youre missing the point. Either that or have grown so used to willingly being milked for scraps of what should be a fully featured quality product, that you fail to see how F2P is anything but free. Rather an elaborate bait to give players a taste of the quality they can have, and entice them to buy it one piece at a time.

Guess im one of those old farts who grew up in a time where developers strived to make games as fun and complete as possible for our money. Not thinking what they can hold back to try and make you pay extra for it later.

Oh and those thinking that its cool because youre giving SE more money to develope blah blah blah need to stop being so naive. The only thing participating in cash shop purchases will ever give you is more cash shop stuff. The only 'quality' youll ever see from your "generous contribution" will be exactly where you invested it, the cash shop.

Case in point, how much have they made from the cash shop? From extra retainers alone? Look where its gone... instead of expanding or even fixing a problem even Yoshi has admitted many players are having... they open up more space behind more fees. So where is all that going to? Still waiting on housing... the expansion we're already paying $40 for?

[Silverbane]

What is relevant is that this is an unprecedented move on the part of Square Enix. Final Fantasy XI made you pay for character slots, not inventory slots. ...
Charging a subscription fee for bank space is an unprecedented move not just for a subscription MMO, but for any MMO as far as I know. (emphasis added)

You DO know that you've been able to pay $2/mo for each of two additional retainers for quite some time now, right? I've been paying an extra $4/mo for two more retainers ever since I discovered the option to do so in February, and I don't think it was new then.

They are just increasing the number of extra retainers you can subscribe to from 2 to 6, is all. Nothing new, just more of what we had before.

[VoltaAsura]

I just don't see why people can't see that this is obviously pay to win?

Do you have to get better gear, stats or a content clear for it to be considered P2W? I don't think so, but a good bit of you seem to think that is the case for anything considered P2W.

More people should be concerned about changes like this because if you tolerate them, they will continue to walk this fine line until something you want or desire is behind a paywall.

I put this in my last post, but we said it then. I'll say it now. What is next?

We pay a sub to play. We shouldn't have to pay for anything else. ALSO had I known of this 1 change prior to purchasing HW - I would not have bought it.

Criticize me if you will for the sentence above, but its not fair that someone who is willing to fork over more money a month gets more inventory space, ventures and selling slots than I do. It's ridiculously unfair...and about as close to P2W as SE has come thus far with FFXIV.

[Lewtskie]

I just don't see why people can't see that this is obviously pay to win?

Do you have to get better gear, stats or a content clear for it to be considered P2W? I don't think so, but a good bit of you seem to think that is the case for anything considered P2W.

Because that is near-literally the definition of paying to win. You are paying money to increase your rate of progression and getting an edge on any challenge towards killing something which is essentially what 'winning' is in a MMO.

Retainers aren't giving you an edge in clearing Coil. Nor do they make progressing through quests any faster, same with leveling.

Having Sleipner as a mount doesn't make you do more damage, except to maybe someone's ego or whatever.

You can't have extra minions join you in fights and kill things.

You are paying for a convenience. Not something you need and not something that will make you better.

[Rath]

You obviously don`t craft nor collect gear right...?

I was a 4 star crafter about 3 days after they came out. I just don't stuff my retainers full of crap materials (that I can buy anytime on the MB). You don't stuff your home full of all your baby clothes, baby food, last years dirty socks, etc., or you get called a hoarder. Just because you do it in-game, doesn't mean it isn't hoarding.

Edit: I also have items from 1.0 still that are unobtainable, and I still have never had inventory issues unless I ignored my retainers or did not sort/sell stuff I was not planning to use. I also do not agree with allowing the purchase of six more without giving an additional one, but I don't think it is needed either way.