Two reasons why an eviction system is INEVITABLE.

[Kataz]

Lets turn this around for a second Intaki. What entitles you to someones plot who does not have a subscription at the moment? More specifically, because I know what shes put into the game, what entitles you to my wifes plot considering the following -
She bought the game when it came out as ARR and has had an active subscription from that point until her surgery.
She bought a lot of the micro transaction items such Odins horse, metallic dyes, the $20 wedding, upgraded to CE to get the fat chocobo, bought a stuffed moogle for the in game moogle delivery minion, paid to watch that Japanese event to get in game Moogle glamour items, paid to transfer from a high population to a medium population server, gone through 2 fantasias, referred 8 friends, 4 of which maintain active subscriptions.

I reckon that even with a subscription that expired 5 months ago, my wife has invested more cash into this game than you have, and certainly a lot more than your average player who came to the party late and couldn't find a house. So what entitles you to her plot of land if you are looking at cash going into SE's pockets as the only justification for you to get someone elses plot?

[Kaiser-Ace]

Seems Katz, Hypie, and I are the only voices of reason here.

Cheeres you two.

<Tosses Kagz and Hypie high vintege spirits of their choosing>

[Intaki]

Lets turn this around for a second Intaki. What entitles you to someones plot who does not have a subscription at the moment?

I reckon that even with a subscription that expired 5 months ago, my wife has invested more cash into this game than you have

And you'd be wrong.

What entitles me (or really, players less fortunate than me) to your wife's house? Simple: she is no longer playing the game, and has not played the game in a very long time. She no longer supports the game financially. She no longer contributes to the ward community of the house she has purchased. She adds nothing to FFXIV while continuing to hog one of its rarest resources selfishly to herself.

and certainly a lot more than your average player who came to the party late and couldn't find a house.

This is a very absolute statement. Prove it.

Put half the effort you spend bitching into saving and you could too. Even on Balmung it takes a while for large plots to sell.

Most people can easily afford a small house. However, that number falls dramatically when you factor in the going rate of a house owner releasing their property: typically 3 to 4 times the full value of the plot. Unlike the vast majority of the playerbase, I can feasibly get the money required for that in a relatively short amount of time. I, however, choose not to buy an overpriced "service" charge by leeches abusing a broken system. I would much rather those people get no money and be stuck with a house they don't use than give them the pleasure of profiting off their abuse of the broken system.

Also, love the whole "only voices of reason" schtick. Especially when you're so laughably wrong. Have you considered working for Fox News?

[Kaiser-Ace]

So you can buy a house but choose not to because you'd rather have the house of some one who bought it fair and square who's just MIA a little instead of buying one from some one who is more than happy to sell you a plot from a compleatly tapped out housing market?

Tell me again how you think you're right? I want to see if it's funny the second time cause this level of arrogance is insulting.

This logic here is the soul reason SE can not go with this plan without having a large threat to their player base. Trust me, You'll deffinatly be shocked next week when all of those "Dead FCs" show up again and show you who the real spoiled, entitled, scrub is.

[lordoftheapes79]

She bought the game when it came out as ARR and has had an active subscription from that point until her surgery.
She bought a lot of the micro transaction items such Odins horse, metallic dyes, the $20 wedding, upgraded to CE to get the fat chocobo, bought a stuffed moogle for the in game moogle delivery minion, paid to watch that Japanese event to get in game Moogle glamour items, paid to transfer from a high population to a medium population server, gone through 2 fantasias, referred 8 friends, 4 of which maintain active subscriptions.

Reasons like this is why I think they haven't rushed into this. They will eventually have to do something about it, but what if your wife never comes back to the game? is it fair to them to keep paying for servers to support that? or to new players who can't get housing who will eventually pass people that never return in payments? its a very complicated situation and I'm sure they want to avoid handling it on a case by case basis cause that's tedious and expensive. They're likely to use a reimbersment system somehow where you get a percentage of the current asking price for that lot. They clearly have alot to work out before any eviction systems come into play, but they said from the beginning that if you're account goes inactive for too long, you'll loose the house there just isn't enough resources to provide for people who aren't playing.

That said, I hope your wife's surgery went well and she gets better soon.

[Kataz]

"no longer playing the game" is a temporary state of existence.
She supported the game financially at every opportunity prior to being incapable of playing. Again, if money going into the pockets of SE is your measuring stick for worthiness of home ownership, then shes paid her dues for quite a while.
Our ward community is a ghost town of dead FC housing.
You are entitled to exactly NOTHING.

Housing has problems, are you are focusing on the wrong one.
1 - SE should add more wards, but doing so would make their CFO sad. Premium wards would make players happy and the CFO happy.
2 - Dead FC's should start being identified through some metric and addressed. It could be a lack of players to auto-pass leadership to, it could be a small seal tax.


Premium wards would allow people with no houses to get a house. It would allow people who already have a house in a dead ward to move into a ward thats not dead.
Cleaning up dead FC's would turn dead wards into active wards. Players moving from dead wards into premium wards would open land for non-premium housing.

Everyone wins, no one loses their house, SE's CFO is happy.

[Kataz]

They will eventually have to do something about it, but what if your wife never comes back to the game? is it fair to them to keep paying for servers to support that? or to new players who can't get housing who will eventually pass people that never return in payments? its a very complicated situation and I'm sure they want to avoid handling it on a case by case basis cause that's tedious and expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that they will eventually have to do something about it. But again, this game is almost 2 years into a planned 10 year run. It is very very early for them to be able to determine who is a lost customer and who is simply a customer waiting for enough reason to return. Now is certainly not the time to talk about punishing inactive subscriptions with a loss of their house. MMO's first expansion is usually when you'll see the highest number of returning customers, second and third expansions... not so sure. I think populations start to level out by the second and third expansion. Maybe at the games 5 year mark they should take a look at accounts with houses to determine a lost customer or not.

Also - shes doing alright. Just a major life adjustment. Not being able to bend your dominant wrist, and getting what I imagine is world destroying pain every time something does put pressure on a wrist that would normally bend, sucks pretty bad.

[Intaki]

So you can buy a house but choose not to because you'd rather have the house of some one who bought it fair and square who's just MIA a little instead of buying one from some one who is more than happy to sell you a plot from a compleatly tapped out housing market?

You can't sell a plot. You can just charge people for the "privilege" of knowing when you'll be done with it.

They want that money more than I want their overpriced BS, and every day I see them continue to advertise in PF to no effect I smile inside.

This logic here is the soul reason SE can not go with this plan without having a large threat to their player base.

Except the only people effected would not be part of the playerbase at all. Try to keep up.

Maybe at the games 5 year mark they should take a look at accounts with houses to determine a lost customer or not.

I'm genuinely curious: how much practical experience do you actually have with mapping consumer trends using first party data sets? Because the above statement tells me you have none and are talking out of your ***. It would not take 5 years to determine a basic framework for what constitutes a player/account that has likely been permanently terminated by the user.

Also, your premium house idea is idiotic. It's the same thing as SE's plan for more retainers and inventory space: rather than fix the problem, just let those affected pay their way out of it.

But like I said, in spite of what you try to play at in your posts, you don't actually care about the issue: you got yours, **** everyone else.

[Kataz]

I'm genuinely curious: how much practical experience do you actually have with mapping consumer trends using first party data sets? Because the above statement tells me you have none and are talking out of your ***.

Back at you champ. However, I can counter that with 2 minutes of googling.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...rs-by-quarter/

Burning Crusade came out in 2007, steady customer growth. Wrath of the Lich King came out in 2008, steady customer growth. Cataclysm came out in 2010. Cataclysm being the third expansion. Customer numbers have been dropping ever since. I'm sure my 2 minutes of googling cannot be used as bullet proof evidence of all MMO customer retention data, however they seem to follow the trend, with WoW being the only other recent successful MMO to really get good numbers from.

First expansions are hyped. People who used to play and feel like they've run out of stuff to do come back for the first expansion. If its good, they do the same for the second. But by the third, a lot of people move on to other games or feel like they've done the grind enough.

But like I said, in spite of what you try to play at in your posts, you don't actually care about the issue: you got yours, **** everyone else.

And most everyone here is reading your posts as "I don't have mine, **** everyone who got theirs".

[Intaki]

Back at you champ.

Six years, with some other relevant tasks thrown in. Your inability to comprehend the issue you are trying to argue is made even more apparent in your laughable response and utter lack of reading comprehension. Yes, expansions do see increases in subscription activity! Good job! And that has nothing at all to do with establishing a framework and profile of users unlikely to reactivate their account.

In order to create such a framework, one needs to examine the user trends and behaviors documented by the tracking systems built in to the game itself. Using this data, a company can determine (for example) that a player who unsubscribes for 2 months is X% likely to resubscribe, whereas a player that unsubscribes for 4 months is Y% likely to resubscribe (Where X >Y). A gross simplification of the way these models work (as considerably more variables are at play in the final percentages produced) but the concept should be easy enough for you to grasp.