A summoners return.

[Romsca]

Adding new pets isn't the answer here. Why? Because everyone will just go with what is the most powerful and reliable for DPS. No one uses the Titan Egi for instance while in a dungeon. It is just for a solo use. Garuda is often used over Ifrit except only in certain situations (most of which are raid situations). So in the end what would Ramuh, Leviathan or Shiva egis even bring to the table that the other three don't already bring? Support Egis? Forget it because either they will be too OP or not worth it all in any way shape or form. The only thing you can do is what they already have planned which is the Egi glamour system. Let you change the look, but not the functionality of the Egi you use. It lets you be unique and stand out as a Summoner compared to others based on the Egi you use as well as doesn't fall into traps/issues that adding another pet would bring.

Ok, what if Ramuh egi has a skill called "Static Charge" and it increases your dot potency enough to equal the amount of damage you gain from 15 additional seconds added to the dot? He also has a basic range attack, an AoE attack, and a push back attack. Sounds a bit like Garuda with just a variation in the Contagion v. "static charge" skills. But in fact, Ramuh has a niche role for times a mob is going to or needs to die faster than those additional 15 seconds.

[AiiroOkami]

Ok, what if Ramuh egi has a skill called "Static Charge" and it increases your dot potency enough to equal the amount of damage you gain from 15 additional seconds added to the dot? He also has a basic range attack, an AoE attack, and a push back attack. Sounds a bit like Garuda with just a variation in the Contagion v. "static charge" skills. But in fact, Ramuh has a niche role for times a mob is going to or needs to die faster than those additional 15 seconds.

Why are you against the glamour system, if you suggest to do a new pet which will be the exact same one as an already existing pet ?

[Romsca]

If you're boosting dot potency, that pet would be infinitely better because of how much it synergies with DoTs+cooldowns, conserves mana. You'd also need something that can equate to 550 potency (if we're going off by your example) from other pets to be more in tone for that outside of scenarios where mobs die too fast (and even then, summoners are getting this addressed a bit anyway with tri-disaster and more burst options)

Boosting group dps? It's an utter nightmare to balance from a numbers standpoint, and you'll still fall into the realm of being useless, or being mandatory. Same with healer buffs.


In a perfect world it should be like this. But its so much easier said than done from a design/balance standpoint.

Only other MMO I've seen done this with pets is WoW's hunter, where the pets were seperated into three specs (ferocity for dps, tenacity for tank, cunning for PvP). Guess what was only used in raiding? While there are over 12 different species in ferocity (you'd have raptors, vipers, hounds, etc), they are all functionally the same (auto attack, a focus-dump attack), with them having access to one raid utility buff to fill in what the party is missing. This is more-or-less aesthetics at this point, or in my case, I was shoe-horned into always raiding with a wolf for the 5% crit buff.

Good argument. I know balance is always tough. If SE said, "we'll give you a pet that has a skill to boost group dps" I would scream to start the value very very low and work it upwards until it met the criteria of equaling the direct player dps lost by not using a dps pet.

As for dot potency vs dot duration, in a short trash mob fight, dot potency, in long boss fights, dot duration. They both are balance to equal the same dps, just one is for short fights and the other for long fights.

[Romsca]

Why are you against the glamour system, if you suggest to do a new pet which will be the exact same one as an already existing pet ?

But it is not the same. One increase the potency, the other duration. They both do the same dps but one is useful in short duration fights and other is suited for long drawn out fights.

[AiiroOkami]

But it is not the same. One increase the potency, the other duration. They both do the same dps but one is useful in short duration fights and other is suited for long drawn out fights.

Just as we use Garuda in dungeons and Ifrit in raids now ?

[Romsca]

Just as we use Garuda in dungeons and Ifrit in raids now ?

a fair argument.

[Romsca]

All in all, I am just saying, with the new Trance mechanic, we could have pets that fill support roles. My examples are just a couple thoughts but that is not the limit. We can counter each other all day long as to why/why not on something but I just do not want to resign to "reskin the pet". Surely there is nothing wrong with a thoughtful discussion?

[RiceisNice]

All in all, I am just saying, with the new Trance mechanic, we could have pets that fill support roles. My examples are just a couple thoughts but that is not the limit. We can counter each other all day long as to why/why not on something but I just do not want to resign to "reskin the pet". Surely there is nothing wrong with a thoughtful discussion?

Because you did not make this topic as something to be a thoughtful discussion, you straight up made a request for new egis instead of a simple glamour and going as far as "dealing with your art dept". It can be seen both ways, but you're definitely taking a somewhat aggressive approach toward new egis (and if you haven't noticed, we've had enough of those sort of topics which are a lot more non-sensical than this one)

[AiiroOkami]

The thing is that the glamour system will be a thing.
SE is just being logical, they know that players will use 1 or 2 pets. Why would they bother doing 6 or more pets.
Giving a glamour system to players is the best way to make them happy while not doing work for nothing.
If you are bored of your Ifrit or Garuda, just glamour it to Shiva or Ramuh and so on.

That's the best, most logical and less time wasting option.

[Romsca]

Rice, the art dept comment was about how the things look. I was never happy with them visually. Functionality is a different topic.

Aiiro, you want vanity, I want function and options to my pets. I do not ask for 6 more pets. I said some primals will be though Trancing to boost dps while some would go to egi. Now we can get a support pet added. Do we as a class take a hit on dps for not using Ifrit/Garuda, yes, but that should be made up by the value of the support the pet gives. There are ways to do that. I want to discuss them while SE hasn't fully started on a glamour system.