supervirus more impactful than proshell

[ckc22]

Every post in the healer forums is whms complaining they don't have access to every tool in every healers kit.

[DarkmoonVael]

Does Supervirus and Disable stack?

If they do........ not a good news for WHM

But i'm guessing no.

Summoners also bring supervirus to the raid group, making it inconsequential weather a whm has access to it or not.

Also, and correct me if i am wrong here, we dont know what the potency/% of hp restored is going to be with the sch new aoe ability that requires eatherflow to use. I dont think this is all doom and gloom for whm loosing its spot in a raid yet. Sch is still going to be shackled by eatherflow resources, even more so now, when it comes down to aoe healing and healing in cleric stance. I suppose it comes down to how the new raids are designed, wether we need situations where raw hps is required or not. If it is, then i think whm is still viable for raid teams.

What i hope for more than anything is that any combination of the 3 healers is perfectly viable for Alexander savage. I am changing to AST from SCH, meaning my raid group is running AST/WHM.

[mp-please]

Every post in the healer forums is whms complaining they don't have access to every tool in every healers kit.

Don't you mean scholars talking out of their asses of how great they're? Because that's what i've seen on this sub forum on the past 5 months since astrologist was announced.

[AishaK]

Every post in the healer forums is whms complaining they don't have access to every tool in every healers kit.

We dont want scholar's tools, we want all healing compositions other than two clones to be viable for endgame progression. I'd be perfectly fine with astro getting a comparable tool to supervirus. or another dps other than just summoner having something along these lines.

The worry is the trend towards big aoe "need to be mitigated to survive" attacks in current endgame design unnecessarily favors scholar. Things like nerve gas and gigaflare were clearly designed with scholar in mind. This was fine when only two healers were around but now we have to worry about the astro as well.

What square is doing with white mage is completely hypocritical when they say proshell is needed for healer balance without also looking at the other healer. It shouldn't be all give and no take. It's shoehorning scholar into the #1 healing position.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

What square is doing with white mage is completely hypocritical when they say proshell is needed for healer balance without also looking at the other healer. It shouldn't be all give and no take. It's shoehorning scholar into the #1 healing position.

This is not entirely true either. Square-Enix has the right mindset by giving White Mages more options to deal some damage. Mitigation aside, healer DPS is another task for Scholars in raid environment (or minmaxers in general). To off-set this, White Mages are getting more tools to theoretically close the gap on Scholars in this field. Whether it's equal or better will depend on the potency of each spell they'll be getting in HW.

However, this does not solve one of the main reasons why White mages aren't off-DPSing as much as scholars are: Accuracy. As long accuracy is a problem, White Mages will never be able to compete with Scholars in this area. With or without the new spells, especially when the accuracy requirement becomes higher and higher.

It's not like the new spells/abilities White Mages are getting are bad. They're bland, if anything. The damage abilities are just not very viable as long accuracy is a thing.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Every post in the healer forums is whms complaining they don't have access to every tool in every healers kit.

You couldn't be more wrong. Every thread like this that pops up in the healer thread is some person who only mains SCH talking about how fabulous they are, and how much WHM sucks/is lacking.

[spelley]

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I wouldn't be surprised if the "free" Accuracy on healer gear will increase significantly (or the accuracy requirements will be much lower) so it'd be far easier for healers to itemize for DPS.

[loreleidiangelo]

I wouldn't turn this into a WHM vs. SCH grudge-fest, tbh. The OP has some valid concerns, and Sleigh highlighted some REALLY good points about how what SCH is bringing to the raid table currently will benefit progression-oriented groups way more than the brute-force healing of WHM will. If Astrologian's Disable acts as its own Supervirus then it will at least be POSSIBLE for WHM/AST comps to survive raid busters like Gigaflare/Nerve Cloud, but I still suspect hardcore groups will roll SCH/AST if those effects stack.

Essentially, SE wanted to give WHMs and SCHs more "mirror" skills of their counterparts - ie, SCH got more raw/burst/AOE healing, but the difference is, SE gave WHM more "instant cast" heals and some DPS increases rather than supply WHM with what they were truly lacking in an endgame environment - raid-wide mitigation. An easy fix would just be to allow Stoneskin II to be cast in combat...it has a long cast time and a huge MP cost, so you'd obviously only use it for raid busters, not just spam it all the time. I really don't understand why this wasn't considered from the start.

[Amaret]

Stop shitting your pants and wait for the preliminary patch notes which will come in the next few hours. Maybe they change virus for them too? Also... it depends on the fight... the int debuff itself was "mostly" useless until final coil.

Asylum: Generates a regenerative field area on the ground.
Assize: Instant WHM-centered simultaneous AoE damage and AoE healing ability.
Tetragrammaton: Instant HP recovery for target.
Stone III: Strongest earth elemental magic attack, pure damage.
Aero III: AoE wind elemental DoT.

Assize, Asylum, Tetragrammaton sounds like nice skills for use while Cleric Stance.

[Tint]

Also... it depends on the fight... the int debuff itself was "mostly" useless until final coil.

the thing is: the raid wide aoe damage will ALWAYS be magic-based, otherwise a ninja can simple dodge it with his cooldown as example and mages who has lesser life than other classes will survive it thanks to their higher mdef...