supervirus more impactful than proshell

[Tint]

Also... it depends on the fight... the int debuff itself was "mostly" useless until final coil.

the thing is: the raid wide aoe damage will ALWAYS be magic-based, otherwise a ninja can simple dodge it with his cooldown as example and mages who has lesser life than other classes will survive it thanks to their higher mdef...

[SovereignAegis]

White mages cannot be serious when they say that scholars outclass them.

We're talking about WHM who have medica 2, cure 3, and +30% spammable healing potency boost (1 minute cd). Let alone a regen (remember that level 35 ability?) that heals a huge amount like a selene/eos embrace. Oh and the HoT's stack too. Or the 0-100% heal. It is a trivial process to have regen, medica 2 and with heavensward the healing dome all ticking at once- eos/selene cannot and will not ever be able to compete with that.

Scholars have none of that and never will have any of that.

Even with the temporary ability to convert shields to HP that is a temporary ability and even then we're going from what... 200 heal potency succor to 400 in direct heal? Wow, so amazing. /sarcasm.
EDIT: Oh wait it's 150, so now it's a AOE heal with potency of 300. AKA 2 media 2 HoT ticks.

And don't even get me started on aldoquium! 300 cure potency and a shield of equal measure to 600. WOW! It's almost like it's the same as cure 2 that white mages get early on.


I'm sorry but I cannot sit here and listen to this charade of lies, white mages always have been and will maintain their role as the outright dominant job for direct healing. Heavensward doesn't come close to scratching that.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Snip

You're making the impression that you're not reading carefully. Not to mention how some numbers you mentioned aren't even correct. How is the content of your post related to the ones before yours?

[SovereignAegis]

You're making the impression that you're not reading carefully. Not to mention how some numbers you mentioned aren't even correct. How is the content of your post related to the ones before yours?

I fixed the numbers. And sorry if I can't recall irrelevant class skills off the top of my head.

Don't be elitist, it doesn't serve to better your point.

And it is relevant as people were saying SCH outclasses WHM. Which is horrifically false. Each has their clearly defined role.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Don't be elitist, it doesn't serve to better your point.

The numbers are still wrong :P

If questioning the credibility of your post makes me an elitist, so be it. But your post can't possibly be taken seriously if you don't even know what each class does specifically. That's like saying haggis disgusting while you've never even tried it. In other words: You're not a reliable source of information.

And with that, how is your previous post relevant to the topic of discussion? The only one who even got remotely close to mentioning that scholar is "2 stronk" would be Sleigh on the first page. But he made a proper list of reasons why Scholars have a steady spot in a raid environment before doing so. Meanwhile you're posting something with numbers - Which aren't even correct - and soon-to-be outdated facts.

[SovereignAegis]

The numbers are still wrong :P

If questioning the credibility of your post makes me an elitist, so be it. But your post can't possibly be taken seriously if you don't even know what each class does specifically. That's like saying haggis disgusting while you've never even tried it. In other words: You're not a reliable source of information.

And with that, how is your previous post relevant to the topic of discussion? The only one who even got remotely close to mentioning that scholar is "2 stronk" would be Sleigh on the first page. But he made a proper list of reasons why Scholars have a steady spot in a raid environment before doing so. Meanwhile you're posting something with numbers - Which aren't even correct - and soon-to-be outdated facts.

Ah damn it, sorry. You weren't being elitist I reread it. Just have had some cases of people being that way so I am primed to take things that way. My bad, I apologise for that.

And it is relevant because of posts like this

The general feeling for a while now is scholar will be the required healer and astrologian and white mage will be fighting for the second spot.
Scholar just brings too many things to a group that other healers just can't even compare to.

Posts like this worry me.

[Risvertasashi]

I wouldn't turn this into a WHM vs. SCH grudge-fest, tbh. The OP has some valid concerns, and Sleigh highlighted some REALLY good points about how what SCH is bringing to the raid table currently will benefit progression-oriented groups way more than the brute-force healing of WHM will. If Astrologian's Disable acts as its own Supervirus then it will at least be POSSIBLE for WHM/AST comps to survive raid busters like Gigaflare/Nerve Cloud, but I still suspect hardcore groups will roll SCH/AST if those effects stack.

But here's the thing. In order to use a lot of that utility in a raid, SCHs need a strong healing partner. You aren't going to do anywhere close to the needed HP/S in cleric stance with selene out. If you're using all those heal buffs and Eos, yeah that closes the gap a bit, but then SCH isn't using that much fabled raid utility and will be stuck with cleric off.

I don't say this to knock on SCH. I do say this as a... "Reports of WHM's death are greatly exaggerated"

And don't even get me started on aldoquium! 300 cure potency and a shield of equal measure to 600. WOW! It's almost like it's the same as cure 2 that white mages get early on.

Yep, literally an expensive cure II. And they have to be out of cleric to use it.

However, this means the SCH in that stance no longer has a way to shield for tankbusters. Or those big raid AoEs.

So... yeah, WHM/SCH won't be mandatory now but I think reports of white mage's death are greatly exaggerated ~.^

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

However, this means the SCH in that stance no longer has a way to shield for tankbusters. Or those big raid AoEs.

Is it confirmed now that Emergency Tactics is a stance/toggle? Or is that just a speculation?

[GideonHighmourn]

Is it confirmed now that Emergency Tactics is a stance/toggle? Or is that just a speculation?

I doubt it's a stance. Sounded more like a temporary buff, similar to Divine Seal, Fey Illumination, etc.

If it is a stance, be prepared for the tears.

[Risvertasashi]

Is it confirmed now that Emergency Tactics is a stance/toggle? Or is that just a speculation?

Here is what we know:

*The stream shows off a video demonstration of scholar actions. Please note that all action names are tentative.

Instead of just simply increasing a scholar's abilities, we made adjustments by adding actions that require you to really think about their use and the best time to utilize them. There are many actions which are useful during boss battles, so you may feel that it hasn’t changed much while running through instance dungeons.

New action: Indomitability
A new AoE healing action will supplement scholar’s current AoE healing strength, which may have felt a bit weak up until now.

New action: Deployment Tactics
This action will extend the effect of Adloquium and Eye for an Eye that is on the target player to other party members in range.

New action: Emergency Tactics
Instead of adding a barrier effect to Adloquium, this action will give addition healing power for the amount of the effect of the barrier.

New action: Dissipation
With this action, you dismiss your fairy in exchange for magic power.

All we really know is that one won't be able to stance dance. Scholars will have to think carefully about when to use it. It's also not clear if and where aetherflow stacks might play into it.

However, I really doubt SCHs are getting a 'win everything' button. The tone of the presentation has always been... well, I'll just emphasize this line: we made adjustments by adding actions that require you to really think about their use and the best time to utilize them.