Summoner gets no new pets in expansion

[Dyvid]

Bottom line: FFXIV's pet jobs won't be get any new pets in Heavensward. Everyone agrees the pets need work in one form or another and this is a missed opportunity to work on those issues. In fact they said the max they are doing is adding a glamour system but leaving pet abilities effects the same.

[Dement]

Bottom line: FFXIV's pet jobs won't be get any new pets in Heavensward. Everyone agrees the pets need work in one form or another and this is a missed opportunity to work on those issues. In fact they said the max they are doing is adding a glamour system but leaving pet abilities effects the same.

I think you may have misunderstood. While it's not mentioned in the notes, in the spoken live letter they talked about buffing the current pets, altering their abilities and adding new ones. Specifically at around 2:13:00 the translator mentions "Rather than adding more pets where each of the entities won't have any change of effects, we decided that it's better to bolster the current existing pets and kind of add actions and expand on that." So I don't think we can say that it's a missed opportunity at this point. Everyone agreed that SMN as a whole needed work and SMN as a whole has been reworked. The rework just didn't involve putting in more redundant pets.

What you're talking about with the same effect is directly tied to the glamour system. For example you can Summon I a caster type pet which you've glamoured to look like Shiva, you use Wind Blade but since it's a Shiva pet, it'll probably be called something different to make sense for Shiva and will have the appearance of ice instead of wind. So leaving the effects the same applies only to the glamour system but that's not to say that the pet abilities are going to be the exact same as ARR.

[Dyvid]

I think you may have misunderstood. While it's not mentioned in the notes, in the spoken live letter they talked about buffing the current pets, altering their abilities and adding new ones. Specifically at around 2:13:00 the translator mentions "Rather than adding more pets where each of the entities won't have any change of effects, we decided that it's better to bolster the current existing pets and kind of add actions and expand on that." So I don't think we can say that it's a missed opportunity at this point. Everyone agreed that SMN as a whole needed work and SMN as a whole has been reworked. The rework just didn't involve putting in more redundant pets.

What you're talking about with the same effect is directly tied to the glamour system. For example you can Summon I a caster type pet which you've glamoured to look like Shiva, you use Wind Blade but since it's a Shiva pet, it'll probably be called something different to make sense for Shiva and will have the appearance of ice instead of wind. So leaving the effects the same applies only to the glamour system but that's not to say that the pet abilities are going to be the exact same as ARR.

Well from what they have officially published and what players fluent in Japanese have said, the 2:13:00 marker was mistranslated. As it stands today, new no pets and just glamour changes for current pets. Below is the official transcript from SE.

Summoner

For summoner, we will be implementing an AoE attack that consumes Aetherflow, an action that simultaneously applies Bio, Bio II, and Miasma, a new magic attack that deals damage directly, and two new actions for level 60 that will change your rotation.

We've received feedback that Tri-disaster doesn't match the effect of the action, so we changed the name of it to Tri-bind, and made Tri-disaster into a new action that simultaneously applies three effects: Bio, Bio II, and Miasma.

One important point I would like to touch on is in regards to questions about whether we will be adding new egi. The development team thought long and hard about this, but looking at the long-term they felt that adding one new egi from the many primals that can be summoned would not change the situation very much. Instead of adding a pet whose abilities and effects are not different from others, they decided it would be better to increase the amount of actions for summoner to make it a more interesting job. However, considering that Carbuncle isn't being used right now, we’re looking into a system that will allow you to change the appearance and action animations of egi while their effects remain the same.

Considering that Aetherflow is on a 60 second cool down, the first 30 seconds will be spent applying DoTs and performing various other tasks, but there is room to work in some other aspects for the remaining 30 seconds, which is why we will be adding a new action known as Dreadwyrm Trance that allows you to summon the power of Bahamut. By performing your rotation you can gain stacks of Aethertrail Attunement, and once you have a certain amount you will be able to use Deathflare, which is a special attack that harnesses the power of Bahamut.

[SoloWingMetatron]

However, considering that Carbuncle isn't being used right now, we’re looking into a system that will allow you to change the appearance and action animations of egi while their effects remain the same.

This statement could mean one of two things. Either we will be getting new Egi models with unique animations/VFX that glamour over the top. Or just a new Egi model with new animations where the VFX goes unchanged. Though the latter option would render the glamour system kinda pointless/unpolished. So I think it's safe to say new VFX will also accompany the new models/animations. Perhaps by "effects" they just meant mechanically, but who knows.

[Havenchild]

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You know, I don't think there was some glorious mis-translation taking place here.. The same thing was noted when both the translator and the forum mods both stated that Tri-Disaster would cost an AF but the actual translation says nothing of the sort.

Now call me crazy but I seriously doubt, SE will let Tri-Disaster be a skill that does not require an AF to be used as that could be quite OP for a buff to the class unless it had some stupid long CD which would essentially make it kinda useless.

Thus it's quite possible that the translator is saying pre-scripted lines for the English community, not following the exact words they are saying in Japanese.

[Spellbinder]

As a speaker of the Japanese language, I can tell you with absolute certainty it was a mistranslation.

He more or less said rather than adding pets, it would be better in the long run to focus on the summoner him or herself, hence no new actions being added to the pets. However, they are planning a glamour system.

And no, he did not say that Tri-disaster requires a stack of aetherflow.

Will there be tiny quality-of-life issues with pets addressed? (i.e. pets not being affected by food, etc.) That remains to be seen.

What he said in the live letter:

これは、長い目で見たときにペットを増やすより
本体のアクションを充実させたほうが活躍できると考えたためです。

Thinking long-term, instead of adding more pets, we felt it better to give more use to the job by adding actions to summoner.

[Havenchild]

As a speaker of the Japanese language, I can tell you with absolute certainty it was a mistranslation.

He more or less said rather than adding pets, it would be better in the long run to focus on the summoner him or herself, hence no new actions being added to the pets. However, they are planning a glamour system.

And no, he did not say that Tri-disaster requires a stack of aetherflow.

Will there be tiny quality-of-life issues with pets addressed? (i.e. pets not being affected by food, etc.) That remains to be seen.

What he said in the live letter:

Read my last line. I am not denying a literal mis-translation. I am saying that it might be possible, that what was said was actually meant to be stated that way.

I am well aware how it literally translates as everyone including yourself have been fast to correct it. However, it's kinda hard to believe that both the translator and Bayohne are claiming similar things and both of these interpreters are wrong and have not corrected themselves. Most of the information released to the community is very likely scripted responses both on forums and in interviews. Granted if this is all one big error that they refuse to proof-read, then it just makes them look incompetent.

[Valoiz]

So we just stay with the same old-ugly pets forever and still call ourself SMN? .... sad

No even new actions for egis mentioned yet... and no fix for their look

[Dyvid]

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What are you confused about, pet get no new abilities or Tri-Disaster doesn't use AF? First I doubt the translation was pre-scripted because she is listen to Yoshi-P then translates it, just listen to her again. Second, I"m pretty sure these posted translation are proof read by the Devs before posting to make sure it's accurate. It says what it says and should be taking at face value.

-an AoE attack that consumes Aetherflow
-an action that simultaneously applies Bio, Bio II, and Miasma
-a new magic attack that deals damage directly
-two new actions for level 60 that will change your rotation

I would bet Tri-Disaster has a 1 to 3 minute cooldown and was ideally designed to apply DoTs quickly to non-trash adds in boss fights.

[Havenchild]

What are you confused about, pet get no new abilities or Tri-Disaster doesn't use AF? First I doubt the translation was pre-scripted because she is listen to Yoshi-P then translates it, just listen to her again. Second, I"m pretty sure these posted translation are proof read by the Devs before posting to make sure it's accurate.

*The stream shows off a video demonstration of summoner actions. Please note that all action names are tentative. We’ll be making various adjustments to summoner which includes an action that simultaneously applies Bio, Bio II, and Miasma effects in exchange for Aetherflow, an attack that deals magic-based damage, and two other new actions at level 60 that will largely change your current rotations.

The ability Tri-Disaster has had its name changed to Tri-Bind since the effect didn’t make sense with the original name. In exchange, the aforementioned ability action that applies all three DoTs will be known as Tri-Disaster.

One minute you're saying it should be taken at face value while also saying it would be proof read by the Devs before posted. Like it was here^

Guess what? The translator said that first, yet everyone is saying it's mis-translation, in the literal sense, which it is, but that the statement should be ignored because of that. So if you were to consider that Bayohne and the translator are saying the truth, which would be proof read by the devs before stated, then it would stand to reason, that yes Tri Disaster is going to use AF, and it's possible though not mentioned by Bayohne, that we may get more pet skills.